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Westministers: Boris and May give us the Brexit Leeming Plan.

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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2017 15:17

Theresa May has made a speech.

It’s a wish list for hard core Brexiteers. It’s a large corporate executive’s wet dream for exploitation.

Even requests for a white paper as recommended by the Brexit Committee have been ignored. Thus meaning there is no chance for proper scrutiny. Plus whilst on the one hand parliament have been told they will have a vote on the end deal, this is merely slight of hand, with Davis stating that if parliament vote against this, then we will leave the EU without a deal in a chaotic exit. Thus making the vote an exercise with a gun to parliament's head.

Workers Rights and the Welfare State die with Brexit. Even the precious NHS. Especially the precious NHS once its been stole off to the highest American bidder.

May is being lobbied by her hard right and to save her next she listens only to them. She has no interest in listening to anyone else. The demographic and voting patterns favour her to head this direction. There is nothing to be gained for her personally by doing anything else.

She is already laughing her head off in glee at the collapse of the NI assembly. It plays right to her agenda.

Under the wheels of the bus go the JAMs, under go the disenfranchised who rarely vote but came out in force for the referendum, under go single mothers, under go the disabled, under go those with mental health concerns who struggle with already bureaucratic systems set up to ‘catch them out’, under go the EU immigrants especially those who have families here and may not have equal rights in future, under go British Citizens living abroad who might find themselves without healthcare or pensions, under go our Human Rights and any chance of challenging the state’s authority and interference in our every day lives, under go small business who will drown in red tape, under go Scotland and NI.

Yet this is ‘for the children’ or ‘the grandchildren’. Its spineless and cynical and offers nothing for those currently able to vote but under the age of 40. Won't you think of the children? Its fine if you are already retired and have a nice little pension isn't it?

The National Interest? This is a foreign concept. Probably an EU one.

The Baby Boomers are net beneficiaries of the welfare state. The young are unlikely to have a welfare state in a few years and are already net contributors. They have now been robbed of the choice over their future and in patronising tones effectively told they are irrelevant.

And of course Uncle Donald is a fan. You can almost see his vampire fangs reading to get his teeth into the UK and suck the life blood out of it.

It is a horror show.

Its all about selling Theresa May to the Express and the Mail and they love it. Her speech is to set the scene of how committed she is and to lay the blame at anyone who challenges her. It attacks the EU and paints them as the aggressor who are there to prevent poor little Britain from getting what it wants. If Brexit goes wrong, it was all an anti-British plot. Not a collective self inflicted brain haemorrhage. She's gone full on Farage and out Farages Farage.

This all comes perhaps a week before the Supreme Court Ruling.

Funny timing eh? No not really.

It’s a pre-emptive strike.

What on earth will they say? Will this merely allow May to dismantle our current legal system by gathering support for a General Election Manifesto that outlines its demise? Thus extending the mandate for Brexit even further. Probably.

I fear that the courts may only serve to strengthen May in the long run due to the lack of opposition and a Labour party that is imploding, with dozens of its MPs being rumoured to be looking for employment elsewhere. I fear that without a media able to effectively hold May to account in the face of her media baron supporters.

Our only hope really lies within the Conservative party itself and whether May is able to keep a lid on the various on going power struggles. The only trouble is that one of those challengers is a certain Brutus in the form of Mr Gove. I struggle to work out who would be worse; Gove or May. And of course this only highlights the issue that who else is there with in the Conservatives who isn’t a reptile? Even Arron Banks commentated that during the referendum he found Labour MPs nice people and the Conservatives unpleasant almost to a man. High praise indeed.

Meanwhile in America, NATO is obsolete and so Europe will have to consider an EU Army and Russia is firmly getting its claws in. And yeah, just Donald Trump. That Project Fear thing was just fake scaremongering wasn't it? Right? Right?

sigh

What on earth can possible stop this insanity? Not necessarily stop Brexit, but at least stop the PURE INSANITY.

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woman12345 · 18/01/2017 20:41

^Last April one pro-Remain politician said that the referendum was:
about how we maximise Britain’s security, prosperity and influence in the world, and how we maximise our sovereignty: that is, the control we have over our own affairs in future. (...)
International, multilateral institutions... invite nation states to make a trade-off: to pool and therefore cede some sovereignty in a controlled way, to prevent a greater loss of sovereignty in an uncontrolled way, through for example military conflict or economic decline.
In other words, sovereignty is not something indivisible. It can be traded and shared to create greater influence and prosperity for all^.
Guess who said this? Grin

Peregrina · 18/01/2017 21:05

Do I claim the prize? This was Theresa May, I believe. Remain supposedly, but when it came down to it, forget that - the Prize of being PM was too good to miss out on, so ditch any principles.

woman12345 · 18/01/2017 21:18

Cake Peregrina

Kaija · 18/01/2017 22:11

Anyone need some fresh hell?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38650596

RedToothBrush · 18/01/2017 22:37

Goldman Sachs is moving 3000 of its London staff - that's half of them - to Frankfurt or New York.

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WifeofDarth · 18/01/2017 22:38

No thanks Kaija I'll be too busy watching this
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38663155

RedToothBrush · 18/01/2017 22:40

Dan Crawford @dancrawford85
Britain First leader issues threat to 'traitor' MPs upon jail release: 'You will all meet your miserable ends'

Same day as that Banks website.

So threats to MPs who do not obey May effectively.

May will do nothing.

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WifeofDarth · 18/01/2017 22:46

Is anyone up to doing a calculation of the income tax that's been lost to the uk with just the moves announced today? And then add in the job losses for the support staff (the brits) who won't get invited to relocate?
I brought this up in one of my letters to my remainer turned brexiters tory mp, and the response was loss of tax revenue from the city wouldn't be a problem thanks to Nissan and Apple. I think they're going to have to do a few more backroom deals to get some big brands in to offset this. And fast.
Bye bye welfare state, it was fun while it lasted

RedToothBrush · 18/01/2017 22:52

Oh yeah and 'Trade Crusade'.

Is this where we wage religious war, and force countries to trade with us or else?

Snowflake? Na I'm a snowman. An abominable one.

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WifeofDarth · 18/01/2017 22:58

HSBC 1800 to relocate, ubs 1000 and G'S 3000. Total 4800.
If you assume a salary of £120k for each of those positions then the tax paid per role is £47k.
Total tax rev lost is £261 million.
On the first day after the speech. We haven't even started leaving yet.

WifeofDarth · 18/01/2017 22:59

£261 million per year that should read

RedToothBrush · 18/01/2017 23:05

8 walk in centres to close. Just when A & E in crisis.

Planned run down of services in motion.

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GloriaGaynor · 18/01/2017 23:05

The Goldmans news isn't confirmed yet is it? It was broken on a German site. I read 1000 to Frankfurt, 2000 to NY.

Peregrina · 18/01/2017 23:09

If those 4800 jobs are all in the Canary Wharf area then think about how many ancillary services will be affected too. How many fewer lattes will cafes sell, how many fewer pub lunches, restaurant meals, items purchased in local shops? It all adds up. Well done Mrs May.

Oh yes, will you tell us how your job creation schemes are coming along, for those people who are 'just managing' and need a boost? Or for those shop and cafe workers laid off. What's that you say? You don't have one?

RedToothBrush · 18/01/2017 23:10

Has anyone got any good political news for the UK this week? Anything that doesn't involve shooting yourself in the foot as a nation.

Really struggling to see a future here.

I am expecting announcements of friends leaving sooner rather than later now.

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Peregrina · 18/01/2017 23:13

It was broken on a German site. I read 1000 to Frankfurt, 2000 to NY.
Is there any reason to think that this German site is unreliable? Don't forget, our news is being massaged - Brexit is wonderful, so we can't be allowed to hear about well paid jobs re-locating.

Peregrina · 18/01/2017 23:16

The worst thing is that the people leaving will either be the educated or the entrepreneurial ones. Just the sort of people we need to retain to build this wonderful future. I'm expecting my children to go later if not sooner.

RedToothBrush · 18/01/2017 23:27

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/18/education-secretary-justine-greening-says-turned-banking-job/
Education Secretary Justine Greening says she was turned down for a banking job because she had not taken a gap year

Meh more stereotyping.

I took a gap year when I was 25 after working my ass off to get the money together. Quit my job and went.

I lived with three girls from Bradford in their early 20s all of whom never went to uni and worked their backsides off to go. Proper northern working class girls.

In fact out of the circle of friends I had whilst travelling not one was under 21 and all had previously had a full time job which they had quit to go and travel. More than half never went to university at all.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who come straight out of uni or go straight after school but not everyone does. Plenty see it as something to work hard for and to use later on in their future for their cv rather than just having the bank or mum and dad pay.

It's like people who have to work whilst at university or they can't afford to go. (Yep that's me too)

I don't mind her saying it's unfair that certain people get the opportunity but the tone is against these elite liberal citizens of the world and how it should be stopped...

It's not like she seems to have done too badly in the end.

It's almost like sour grapes and because I didn't get the chance no one else should be allowed to do it.

Fuckers

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SwedishEdith · 18/01/2017 23:37

That Con party survey - how badly designed was that?

Suppermummy02 · 18/01/2017 23:38

Britain will be fastest growing G7 economy this year, says IMF
[[https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/04/britain-fastest-growing-g7-economy-imf-international-monetary-fund-brexit-vote
BREXIT]] is turbo charging our economy.

Peregrina · 18/01/2017 23:42

DH came home and said, "What on earth was Theresa May wearing?" Now, I have absolutely no problem with a professional woman spending good money on a decent wardrobe and after all, no one criticises a male politician for wearing an expensive suit, but please, wear something which flatters. This is more Coco the Clown rather than Coco Chanel. Photo courtesy of H Grundy.

Westministers: Boris and May give us the Brexit Leeming Plan.
SwedishEdith · 18/01/2017 23:44

"Britain will be fastest growing G7 economy this year,"

All whilst in the EU - how amazing!

Suppermummy02 · 19/01/2017 00:03

Britain will be fastest growing G7 economy this year, All whilst in the EU - how amazing!
Or its despite being in the EU ..... (seems more likely)

When posters start denigrating the message because of what TM was wearing, you know she was right on, and all that left is the trolls blowing raspberries up their asses Biscuit

Suppermummy02 · 19/01/2017 00:06

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RedToothBrush · 19/01/2017 00:17

Well I can't argue with that can I. That's me well and truly told.

Tell me, what opportunities for the young does brexit give?

Aside from restricting ability to travel, doing nothing to help with housing, reducing job opportunities, reducing educational opportunities, removing employment rights, ending the welfare state and making the likelihood of a pension even more remote.

Blimey it looks cracking for all those lazy young UN's doesn't it?

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