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Westministers: Boris and May give us the Brexit Leeming Plan.

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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2017 15:17

Theresa May has made a speech.

It’s a wish list for hard core Brexiteers. It’s a large corporate executive’s wet dream for exploitation.

Even requests for a white paper as recommended by the Brexit Committee have been ignored. Thus meaning there is no chance for proper scrutiny. Plus whilst on the one hand parliament have been told they will have a vote on the end deal, this is merely slight of hand, with Davis stating that if parliament vote against this, then we will leave the EU without a deal in a chaotic exit. Thus making the vote an exercise with a gun to parliament's head.

Workers Rights and the Welfare State die with Brexit. Even the precious NHS. Especially the precious NHS once its been stole off to the highest American bidder.

May is being lobbied by her hard right and to save her next she listens only to them. She has no interest in listening to anyone else. The demographic and voting patterns favour her to head this direction. There is nothing to be gained for her personally by doing anything else.

She is already laughing her head off in glee at the collapse of the NI assembly. It plays right to her agenda.

Under the wheels of the bus go the JAMs, under go the disenfranchised who rarely vote but came out in force for the referendum, under go single mothers, under go the disabled, under go those with mental health concerns who struggle with already bureaucratic systems set up to ‘catch them out’, under go the EU immigrants especially those who have families here and may not have equal rights in future, under go British Citizens living abroad who might find themselves without healthcare or pensions, under go our Human Rights and any chance of challenging the state’s authority and interference in our every day lives, under go small business who will drown in red tape, under go Scotland and NI.

Yet this is ‘for the children’ or ‘the grandchildren’. Its spineless and cynical and offers nothing for those currently able to vote but under the age of 40. Won't you think of the children? Its fine if you are already retired and have a nice little pension isn't it?

The National Interest? This is a foreign concept. Probably an EU one.

The Baby Boomers are net beneficiaries of the welfare state. The young are unlikely to have a welfare state in a few years and are already net contributors. They have now been robbed of the choice over their future and in patronising tones effectively told they are irrelevant.

And of course Uncle Donald is a fan. You can almost see his vampire fangs reading to get his teeth into the UK and suck the life blood out of it.

It is a horror show.

Its all about selling Theresa May to the Express and the Mail and they love it. Her speech is to set the scene of how committed she is and to lay the blame at anyone who challenges her. It attacks the EU and paints them as the aggressor who are there to prevent poor little Britain from getting what it wants. If Brexit goes wrong, it was all an anti-British plot. Not a collective self inflicted brain haemorrhage. She's gone full on Farage and out Farages Farage.

This all comes perhaps a week before the Supreme Court Ruling.

Funny timing eh? No not really.

It’s a pre-emptive strike.

What on earth will they say? Will this merely allow May to dismantle our current legal system by gathering support for a General Election Manifesto that outlines its demise? Thus extending the mandate for Brexit even further. Probably.

I fear that the courts may only serve to strengthen May in the long run due to the lack of opposition and a Labour party that is imploding, with dozens of its MPs being rumoured to be looking for employment elsewhere. I fear that without a media able to effectively hold May to account in the face of her media baron supporters.

Our only hope really lies within the Conservative party itself and whether May is able to keep a lid on the various on going power struggles. The only trouble is that one of those challengers is a certain Brutus in the form of Mr Gove. I struggle to work out who would be worse; Gove or May. And of course this only highlights the issue that who else is there with in the Conservatives who isn’t a reptile? Even Arron Banks commentated that during the referendum he found Labour MPs nice people and the Conservatives unpleasant almost to a man. High praise indeed.

Meanwhile in America, NATO is obsolete and so Europe will have to consider an EU Army and Russia is firmly getting its claws in. And yeah, just Donald Trump. That Project Fear thing was just fake scaremongering wasn't it? Right? Right?

sigh

What on earth can possible stop this insanity? Not necessarily stop Brexit, but at least stop the PURE INSANITY.

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Peregrina · 18/01/2017 12:58

The UK is only one country when it comes to Brexit, it seems. In the same way that 51% of people who voted is an 'overwhelming mandate' in the Brexit sense, but wouldn't be if a Trade Union tried to call a strike with such a narrow margin.

Peregrina · 18/01/2017 12:59

Why didn't TM make yesterday's speech in Parliament or at least in a room in the HoC? Is she afraid of MPs?

squoosh · 18/01/2017 13:00

Yes.

woman12345 · 18/01/2017 13:02

"Boris Johnson uses Nazi comparison to criticise French president's stance on Brexit" This is becoming a semantic tic amongst these types.

woman12345 · 18/01/2017 13:08

I do very much think this is a choice between the US and the EU in our direction
Going to make US position on NI interesting too, given previous popular American support for Irish nationalism.

woman12345 · 18/01/2017 13:13

Foreign Secretary repeats anti semitic trope.
I find that really fucking offensive, in every way, insulting Hollande, and this usual normalising Nazism.
I suppose that's the deliberate point in the new goady political culture.
Yesterday leader of Russia on sex workers, Tomorrow man who calls women 'it' is leader of free world. etc
Goady.

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SemiPermanent · 18/01/2017 13:17

Wrt the 'Scottish MPs to be denied vote on some parts of brexit' - that is not what was said.

PM's questions today, TM was asked about this specifically (it was in relation to the proposed great repeal bill); she answered that as with all things, everyone would vote on UK matters - for things which affect only England, then the usual rule applies (obviously).

squoosh · 18/01/2017 13:19

May looked really uncomfortable when that SNP MP questioned her on the Great Repeal Bill.

SemiPermanent · 18/01/2017 13:19

She really didn't.

squoosh · 18/01/2017 13:21

I thought she did. And that's okay! Smile

Peregrina · 18/01/2017 13:25

Let's see Johnson make the statements about Nazis to elderly people in countries which were occupied and have first hand knowledge. If he got rotten fruit thrown at him, it would be no better than he deserved.

lurkinghusband · 18/01/2017 13:32

Let's see Johnson make the statements about Nazis to elderly people in countries which were occupied and have first hand knowledge. If he got rotten fruit thrown at him, it would be no better than he deserved.

Believe me, old codgers in countries occupied by the Nazis will be able to pack a lot more than rotting fruit, if BoJo wants to go for a stroll. No one knows exactly how much weaponry went missing in the aftermath of the war. But you can be assured it wasn't "put beyond use".

Peregrina · 18/01/2017 13:42

New York Times' opinion, although it dates from a few months ago.

This stood out for me:

Middle England did not treat this as a referendum on European Union membership but as a plebiscite on one thing: “immigration.” For Middle Englanders, “immigrants” is also a synonym for nonwhite British. Identity, not austerity, motivated their vote to Leave.

May has certainly taken this as her mandate, because it suits her existing prejudices.

TurkeyDinosaurs · 18/01/2017 13:49

And what if you are jobless mistigri? Who pays the shortfall in these countries? I imagine that you'd just get second rate care like in the US.

whatwouldrondo · 18/01/2017 14:06

Turkey You are aware that some people with existing conditions like breast cancer (one third of those treated for primary breast cancer go on to develop secondary Breast Cancer which although terminal can these days be treated for years as a chronic illness) are going to get no care once Obamacare is repealed. The argument runs that they make health insurance too expensive for those lucky enough to have escaped chronic / recurring illness and so they should be taken out and put in a separate pool that will of course be underfunded i.e young women will be parted from their families even sooner and die for want of treatment. Not very pink and fluffy is it, especially as the pinkwashing tries to pretend secondary breast cancer does not exist so the charities, and the corporate players who exploit the brand, won't be stepping in with all the millions earned from all the prancing around in pink feather boas and tutus.

Don't give me it isn't affordable when American healthcare policy looks like delivering such an evil outcome.

PattyPenguin · 18/01/2017 14:10

BoJo seems to forget that it's every one of the 27 member states who have to agree to any deal between the UK and the EU.

It may not be France or Germany wanting to punish the UK. It may be, say, Poland which isn't too keen on the UK saying its citizens aren't wanted here, and on some of them actually, physically, being beaten up.

RedToothBrush · 18/01/2017 14:13

Supreme Court Ruling

24th Jan.

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Mistigri · 18/01/2017 14:13

Turkey it depends on the country. In France, for example, people on low income get 100% cover and healthcare services are generally free at the point of use for these people.

I can't speak for other countries because I don't know the detail, but broadly speaking the major European economies all spend more on healthcare than the UK and provide universal access for all essential treatment.

That's not to say that being rich doesn't buy you better healthcare, that's true pretty much everywhere in the world, including the NHS, where wealthy patients can skip NHS queues, and where quality of care is not universal because of "postcode lotteries".

lurkinghusband · 18/01/2017 14:14

And what if you are jobless mistigri?

We already know the answer. Anglo-Saxon at it's most expressive ...

Fuck. Off.

Mistigri · 18/01/2017 14:15

God, BoJo is such an embarrassment. He makes me want to renounce my british citizenship.

Peregrina · 18/01/2017 14:17

Don't give me it isn't affordable

This applies to a lot of things - it's the choice we make. A headteacher in yesterday's Guardian was lamenting the state of school finances, but one thing which annoyed him was that money could be made available for May's pet project of grammar schools.

Mistigri · 18/01/2017 14:18

And what if you are jobless mistigri?

We already know the answer. Anglo-Saxon at it's most expressive ...

I think you've missed an episode ;)

Turkey's claim was that the UK funds a level of state services that no other country provides. This is plainly untrue for most if not all of the larger european economies, who fund a great deal more healthcare than the UK and who also have safety nets for people on low incomes (with gaps of course; there are always gaps, but this is true in the UK as elsewhere).

Mistigri · 18/01/2017 14:24

It's worth adding that US state (not total) per capita healthcare spending is higher than in the UK, for a much less satisfactory result. UK total healthcare spending is about $4k per capita, US state spending on healthcare is about $5k and U.S. total spending is about £10k per person. These are extraordinary figures however you look at them.