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Pull up a chair and relax.....

Actually some MPs are going to vote against it.

Not enough, hopefully.

I wonder if there will be a surge in ukip support now.

Let's hope not, they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. They can however organise a punch up in Brussels, pretty much sums them up.

At least he didn't punch a member of the public - unlike the deputy leader of the Labour Party.

I think the ruling was correct, and the reasoning sounded reasonable. Having to have an act of parliament before triggering A50 seems fine and right.

As I understand it, we are now back where we were after the original high court ruling, and the government is on the same situation as if it had accepted the original ruling instead of appealing. A lot of the fear over this ruling was in case the rulings on the secondary issues, like the position of the devolved administrations, put the government in a more difficult position with respect to Brexiting, but this hasn't happened.

Very pleased with the ruling that the government do not have to get the agreement of the devolved administrations. This is excellent news.

Agree wrong, the judgement is no problem.

The danger was the devolved govts getting a veto, which has been ruled against - so all good.

Yep. Listening to all the news reports today it's a good result for leavers and Brexit.
Let's just get on with it.

Delurking......yes, good ruling but let's hope the Lords don't scupper it.
And the sooner the better.

They won't Tryingtosaveup
It's all system go now

Came to the same conclusion it's a good result overall. Some of the Remain camp will have to be dragged kicking and screaming but was ever thus. Leaving means just that out of it he single market end of FOM let's get on with it

Interestingly, trade deals with Australia and India will be dependent on the UK relaxing immigration rules for their citizens.

But they won't interfere in our laws and sovereignty so I'm ok with that

Not keen on the relaxing of immigration rules thing. Surely that just means we are swopping one type of trade/FOM deal with another. All the remainers will be squealing about the hypocrisy of it all and that we are empire building, considering most of the countries are ex territories and mainly white.

I am also LEAVER obv who is happy with todays ruling.

What I am not happy about is hearing people like Liz Truss on sky news - talking about amendments - cliff edge and pushing for soft brexit its this part that worries me, coupled with the cringing hideous car crash interview clegg had with AM on Sunday, that worries me. This could be small opportunity for these people to get foothold here and make trouble

Tryingtosaveup -

Don't know who it was - but someone was on camera this am talking directly into camera basically saying if the Lords do try and scupper it - it would be very easy to replace them he said this - several times.

infinite of course they will be 'interfering' with our laws - that's what trade deals do. They will be 'interfering' by e.g. Negotiating changes to visa requirements for nationals of their countries in return for trade concessions (maybe our children will get reciprocal immigration rights to go and work in India, which is exciting, although more of an upheaval than working in the EU27!), setting up arbitration courts, setting legally enforceable minimum standards etc etc. but I guess it's a question of language - 'interfering' is just the sort of perjorative language used by kippers about the EU.

And I really don't get your obsession with 'sovereignty'. Without economic stability, parliamentary sovereignty won't get you anywhere.

if the Lords do try and scupper it - it would be very easy to replace them

It's absolutely impossible to replace them as it happens, unless they're planning on killing them all off.

Proud to back a skipper Figment you'll have to do better with the name calling

Bloody hell I know I'm back home on my tablet when the spell check takes control again. I will not surrender I will fight this damn spell check whatever and however I achieve the end result I will win my kipper independence

It isn't exactly an insult. Just a type of smoked fish that has become synonymous with people like yourself who proudly celebrate the idea of leaving the EU regardless of the consequences, as is your right.

Even outside the EU, the UK will still be subject to 700 international treaties, a member of the UN, WTO, NATO, IMF and World Bank, and subscribe to a swathe of nuclear test ban, energy, water, maritime law and air traffic treaties, which potentially cede sovereignty to some degree.

Per the SC ruling:
"... In constitutional terms the effects of the 1972 Act was unprecedented
...The 1972 Act made the EU a source of law in this country; a part of our constitution. As such, changing it is a matter for Parliament
we consider that, by the 1972 Act Parliament endorsed and gave effect to the United Kingdom's membership of what is now the European Union under the EU Treaties in a way which is inconsistent with the future exercise by ministers of any prerogative power to withdraw from such Treaties."

I am not aware of any other International agreements where the Executive's prerogative power is similarly curtailed and sovereignty ceded in this way? I think it is even possible to argue that sovereignty wasn't ceded even to the EU since the status of EU law within the UK seems to rest squarely with the 1972 Act and not the EU Treaties?

"Taking back our sovereignty" is a meaningless mantra - the UK cedes sovereignty in more ways that to the EU.

For instance in the case of the WTO, there is a transfer of decision making from the UK to the WTO as acceptance of WTO terms. The UK makes a bargain where it accepts that it expects to derive benefits from membership in return for exercising sovereignty according to the commitments it makes in the WTO agreement.

And NATO - article 5 states “an armed attack on one or more [members] shall be considered an attack on all” and that members will assist the victim(s) of such an attack “forthwith”. An implied loss of sovereignty over deploying UK forces, but the trade-off is deemed a worthwhile price for our national security.

No problem with the Supreme Court ruling and confident May will ensure it happens asap, despite opposition parties no doubt insisting on countless amendments to the Bill. Also confident of winning the vote so A50 in March will still be doable.

I'm very happy that the court ruled that devolved administrations didn't need to be consulted or have a right to veto Article 50.

Hope everyone is well