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Westministenders. Boris and the Country find out what ‘Mayism’ looks like.

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RedToothBrush · 07/01/2017 11:04

Its fair comment to say that Theresa May doesn’t like people who disagree with her.

In her New Year’s message, the Prime called for unity. She insisted that she would represent the interests of the 48%. I’m sure I’m not alone in finding these comments rather at odds with her actions.

The New Year hasn’t started to well for her with the resignation of the UK’s ambassador to the EU, Ivan Rogers in which he accused the government of ‘muddled thinking’ and urged civil servants to stay strong in delivering bad news to ministers.

Rogers had, made a point of stressing that the UK needed a transitional deal which would be around 10 years which went down like a cup of cold sick. His resignation has been greeted by howls of joy by rampant Brexiteers. Yet given that when the UK entered the much less complex European Community in 1973, we had a seven year transition period in, the suggestion of a 10 year exit, actually makes sense if you want to Leave the EU and its far from an obstructive position. Rogers has subsequently commented that he thinks we have a 50:50 chance of a chaotic exit now, given ministers refusal to listen to reason.

In all honesty that looks like an optimistic assessment at this moment in time.

It all begs the question of what next?

To look at the future, it’s worth rewinding a little and seeing how we got here. Just how did May become PM over and above her political rivals when she has very few political allies and friends.

Back in October 2015, as still Home Secretary, Theresa May made her speech at the Conservative Party Conference and said that immigration makes it "impossible to build a cohesive society."

This Telegraph Article from the time made the observation that the speech was designed to fan the flames of prejudice in a cynical attempt to become Conservative leader

How is this ever going to be reconcilable with Remainers? That is not just an anti-immigration stance. It goes way beyond that. May was apparently a reluctant Remainer, but there has always been this accusation that she was never fully on board and never actively campaigned. I just don't buy it anymore.

Then there was how she worked with the Coalition Government.

In September the Liberal Democrats made the accusation that she repeatedly trying to interfere with a crucial Government report on the effects of immigration back in 2014. This was not the first such accusation. It suggests she was anti-expert and post-fact just as much as any hard core Brexiteer. Norman Baker also accused her, before he later resigned, of suppressing information about to deal with people on drugs. His resignation letter, is incredibly reminiscent of Ivan Rogers resignation letter:

In a scathing verdict on Ms May’s leadership, Mr Baker warned that support for “rational evidence-based policy” was in short supply at the top of her department.

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He told The Independent yesterday that the experience of working at the Home Office had been like “walking through mud” as he found his plans thwarted by the Home Secretary and her advisers.

“They have looked upon it as a Conservative department in a Conservative government, whereas in my view it’s a Coalition department in a Coalition government,” he said.

“That mindset has framed things, which means I have had to work very much harder to get things done even where they are what the Home Secretary agrees with and where it has been helpful for the Government and the department.

“There comes a point when you don’t want to carry on walking through mud and you want to release yourself from that.”

Was Theresa May to blame? Did Norman Baker have a point? Well Ivan Rogers seems to think he does.

The Economist’s Indecisive Premier article does say that May worked well with people she got on well with or had a shared vision with – including Lynne Featherstone, the first Liberal Democrat to work with her at the Home Office. The trouble is, that there is an ongoing pattern of her having problems with those she doesn’t get on with and her desire for control and micro management lead to a tendency to build an echo chamber rather than build a consensus or more pragmatic approach. It also notes she had personal clashes with Gove, Osborne and Johnson on key issues. Its not just Liberal Democrats she has a problem with. Of course, she only has one of the three in her current Cabinet. Let’s not forget Mark Carney either. It rather leads you to suspect that Baker was not the first, nor will Rogers be the last.

This does not bode well for compromise with the EU. May does not seem to do compromise unless backed into a corner and then its because she has been forced and then not on her terms. May can not bulldoze in the same when she does eventually sit down for talks.

It does not bode well for the future of this country, if senior positions are only for Yes Men regardless of whether you are a Remainer or a Leaver. If she has these ongoing issues with Gove, Osborne and Johnson, is it a problem? Will they continue or will they quit? Will Davis or Fox get frustrated at her constant slap downs. Will the lack of friends be a problem in the long run. Especially when one of her closest allies in Phillip Hammond is also seeming to be facing the same frustrations.

Of course, no friends, also means May has plenty of people she has no problem with throwing under the Brexit Bus.

Will May take any responsibility if it all goes wrong? Who did Theresa May blame for not achieving the all-important immigration target in 2014?

Theresa May: Lib Dems to blame for immigration target failure

It was not her failing. Of course.

And the legal battles she lost whilst at the home office? Not her fault. It was the left wing liberal human rights lawyers, therefore Human Rights are the problem and must be removed.

Never hold up the mirror and admit your beliefs are wrong. Fudge the figures, supress the reports, fuel the flames, blame others, send people to Coventry or ignore them until they quit in frustration. Anything but take responsibility or listen to what you don’t want to hear. She is well versed in it all. These are not the hallmarks of a great consensus builder.

When May calls for unity, is it genuine or merely a precursor for the inevitable blame stitch up? Excuse my cynicism but this is the very definition of what Mayism is. Oh and don’t forget the Red, White and Blue bit. Patriotism the last resort of the scoundrel.

May is set to make a speech later this month outlining her commitment to Brexit. It sounds like yet another guaranteed source of conflict and division rather than unity. Davis and Johnson are helping write it. Fox has been sidelined... which fits with the rumours that he's first under the wheels.

May WILL unite Leavers and Remainers in the end. In how we look back at how she drove us off the cliff and how she sold us all down river with her hard headed blinkers.

Unfortunately the chances are, this will be after it is too late at this rate, unless people on both sides wise up and realise what is really at stake.

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Peregrina · 17/01/2017 12:24

she wants EU science collaboration

I recall, the Swiss wanted that too, but no freedom of movement, and the EU didn't buy it.

WifeofDarth · 17/01/2017 12:26

This is like watching a scary film. I can't bear to watch the screen, I just watch everyone else's reaction to it!
I too am feeling overwhelmed at the bleakness of my children's future in this country.
Sorry not to contribute anything more relevant, just reassuring to know i'm not the only one who feels so dreadful today.

user1484653592 · 17/01/2017 12:26

oh but they must with the UK, cos we are worth it

missmoon · 17/01/2017 12:28

The vote in parliament thing is not news, parliament was always going to have to approve any final deal. However, at that point, the option will be between a final deal, and no deal at all, so hardly a choice. The Supreme Court court case is about a parliamentary vote on triggering A50, which could tie her hands in negotiations, so far more important. This is all smoke and mirrors, in order to prepare public opinion in advance of the Supreme Court ruling due in the next couple of weeks.

user1484653592 · 17/01/2017 12:28

a word of warning to the eu ...... oh oh Confused

user1484653592 · 17/01/2017 12:30

old school carrot and stick mentality comes to mind not sure how that works in a global economy

Peregrina · 17/01/2017 12:30

Is she trying to be David to the Goliath of the EU?

Bearbehind · 17/01/2017 12:30

She really has lost it if she thinks the country is united in supporting this.

user1484653592 · 17/01/2017 12:31

she'd been alright as a grammar CoE school headmistress not as head of state Sad

user1484653592 · 17/01/2017 12:32

*grammar / CoE school

user1484653592 · 17/01/2017 12:33

what will her poison after tho speech be Halo

user1484653592 · 17/01/2017 12:34

why is pound surging?

drwitch · 17/01/2017 12:37

she keeps repeating the phrase "Britain wants the brightest and the best"

missmoon · 17/01/2017 12:39

"why is pound surging?"

The pound dropped yesterday as parts of the speech were leaked, it is recovering now as there is nothing else new. As intended..

user1484653592 · 17/01/2017 12:39

nice: UKIP say teresa may is channeling UKIP

Peregrina · 17/01/2017 12:40

she keeps repeating the phrase "Britain wants the brightest and the best"
Presumably only if they are American or Chinese? Not EU citizens - she's made it clear she is not interested in them.

TKRedLemonade · 17/01/2017 12:40

Media quote "so there we have it, the 12 point plan...with absolutely no detail on how she plans yo achieve any of the points" sums it up imo

Kaija · 17/01/2017 12:41

"‘Massively excited about Donald Trump!’ says Paul Nuttall. ‘It's clear he's an Anglophobe!’"

Christ. What a time to be alive.

drwitch · 17/01/2017 12:42

pound is surging because the worst bits of her speech were released before and have been priced in already and things like having a transitional deal and parliament getting a vote are obviously good news. It is also possible that markets were factoring a risk for a fortress Britain type brexit with high tariff barriers and are jumping now this has been ruled out. It is really clever management by May's team because it looks like markets are happy with the entire content of the speech

user1484653592 · 17/01/2017 12:43

Not EU citizens - she's made it clear she is not interested

indeed trampling all over millions of British / EU families here and in europe. people who have married partners from other eu countries and are based here or abroad with British ties. building walls and separating families.

TKRedLemonade · 17/01/2017 12:44

Pound surging as ppl want to believe everything she says will come true. The reality is too scary

user1484653592 · 17/01/2017 12:45

....... the idiocy Sad

user1484653592 · 17/01/2017 12:47

so, so stupid. brexit only serves the rest of the world e.g. russia, china, SE asia and of course the US,

we are witnessing a drastic geopolitical change. the (western) world we grew up in is no longer.

FuntyCuck · 17/01/2017 12:49

Not EU citizens - she's made it clear she is not interested

Oh...I felt relieved a moment ago. I thought she said Eu citizens could stay?

Did I miss hear or do you just not believe her.

I don't earn anything so wouldn't count as either the brightest or the best. Sad

birdybirdywoofwoof · 17/01/2017 12:51

People will love it:
A it's a wish-list of desires
b they don't understand the consequences on 'normal' people.
C the daily mail and express will tell them it's fab.