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Brexshit - i wasn't referring to that specifically just making a general comment from what I see on some threads here and across media in general.

totes hilaire that no evidence at all was deemed necessary by an Oxford professor when he decided to report a 'hate crime', yet random posters on an Internet forum are required to provide evidence and prove non bias at all times.

Brexshit - Love your name! Very funny surprised a remoaner has not used it before

Who is deeming it unnecessary, semipermanent?

The police.

But they haven't treated it as a hate crime.

time4 - re your comment on this... why not read what he had to say, rather than the Telegraph spin

Hmmm.
Wonder if you're mixing up your dons?

Professor Buchan (Oxford) is at odds with the usual Europhile academics, and is confident that it will be a success, and noted that the easy recruitment of EU academic staff had sidelined international recruitment.

Professor Fitt, on the other hand (Oxford Brookes University), was doom mongering along with the Brexit Is Bad crowd:
"...It would probably be the biggest disaster for the university sector for many years..."

He deemed it unnecessary Kaija.
He was completely without any evidence at all when interviewed today on Daily Politics.

Who said they had?

Recorded as a Hate incident is the terminology used.

It's recorded as a hate incident as there was deemed to be no crime committed.
All reports of hate crime have to be recorded, therefore his completely unsubstantiated 'feeling of offence' is now recorded as a hate incident.

So is evidence good or bad, semi? Good for him, bad for us?

"Hmmm.
Wonder if you're mixing up your dons?"

No. Alistair Buchan, whose job is to find positives about Brexit, was much more circumspect than the Telegraph article suggested.

41.5% swing to lib dems in Sunderland by election.
Lib dems voted against brexit in an area that voted leave overwhelmingly.
Interesting.
UKIP down by 7.1%
Sunderland regrets leave vote.
Who knew?
🙄

Sunderland regrets leave vote?

You're basing that on Lib Dems getting in?

Could it possibly, maybe, be nothing at all to do with Brexit & more to do with voters being heartily fucked off with the other parties??

I'm a very resolute leaver, yet I would probably vote Lib dem over all the others at the moment - for reasons that have fuck all to do with Brexit.

I have voted Lib Dem myself in the past and wouldn't rule out again. I don't think you can read anything into those(or possibly any near future results) at the moment whilst our political system/parties are in such a mess.

Oops - cross post with Semi

Wonder if you're mixing up your dons?
No, SemiPermanent, I'm definitely not mixing up my Dons.

On the other hand, it's not the first indication of Bregret in Sunderland:

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.sunderlandecho

I think many leave voters regret their vote TBH.
Of course many don't.
I find the Sunderland vote very interesting.
I have also voted lib dem in the past and would do so again.

Link here:

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.sunderlandecho.com/news/politics/sunderland-echo-poll-shows-u-turn-on-brexit-1-8282851/amp?client=safari

I also think that leave supporters cannot deny this is a very different beast than the lib dem Richmond result.
Hardly surprising a pro EU party won a predominantly pro EU seat.
But Sunderland?
Voted overwhelmingly to leave.
Massive UKIP gains.
What's happened since June?
7.1% drop for UKIP
Huge gains for lib dems
Labour demolished.
As I say.....it's interesting.
Wonder if the same will be played out in stoke?

I wouldn't get too excited about the Sunderland result. It was a council by-election caused by the Labour councillor failing to turn up to a single meeting in six months. The LD candidate got 824 votes.

Despite the ongoing Brexit row Coun O’Brien said the Lib Dems fought the by-election on local issues – sidelining Europe

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/liberal-democrats-snatch-second-sunderland-12447033

Perhaps best not to try drawing any bregret conclusions.

I struggle to see elections in such terms.

Brexit was cross party, you cant narrow it down to one party.

People flocked to UKIP to force the government to put a REf on the agenda, it worked and not only did it work, we won, we have got the pass to get out of the EU, unless something happens to Brexit whats the motivation now to vote UKIP? The main motivator right now - is who else is there to vote for?

In regards to Brexit, it really doesn't matter how you want to interpret those results, the Brexit Ship is sailing. Or, maybe there is the notion that if it can be proved that there are sufficient Bregretters out there then maybe it would be a very good idea to petition the powers that be for EU Ref 2 with the hope that a different outcome could be achieved (now that really would be rainbows and unicorns).

'Brexit' has changed everything. Party politics are no longer so relevant. I will be voting tactically against Brexit and the very next opportunity, even if it means I have to pinch my nose whilst doing so. Many others plan to do the same. Currently 48% of voters are being completely ignored - we are not being represented and this will not be forgotten. It's pretty sinister that leave MPs in strongly remain constituencies (e.g. Labour's Kate Hoey) and Tory remain MPs in strongly remain areas who are now supporting Brexit (e.g. my own MP) say NOTHING about respecting and representing the views of their constituents, yet remain MPs in leave areas (e.g. Andy Burnham) say nothing other than how they now support Brexit to 'respect the views' of their constituents. No one is speaking for me and/or representing me bar the Lib Dems right now.