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Brexit

The Brexit Arms. Please drink ( & post ) responsibly.

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surferjet · 08/12/2016 14:11

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WrongTrouser · 08/01/2017 14:10

and the huge majority of Leavers genuinely don't seem to give a shit about anything else.....

I don't understand why, if you think that, bear, you waste your time talking to people who you think don't give a shit about anything else. Seems fairly pointless to try to engage with people you have such a low opinion of.

DarthPlagueis · 08/01/2017 14:11

Well, sorry, linking to the article is the same as citing imo.
My problem with the article was that it glossed over that fact, and the fact that Brexit is being neo libs.

Bearbehind · 08/01/2017 14:15

I've stayed away for quite a while wrong for that very reason.

At some point reality will have to bite and Leavers will have to see having our cake and eating it isn't going to happen.

I keep thinking it must have happened by now but nope, not yet.

As I said earlier, the Supreme Court ruling should up the ante a bit.

MangoMoon · 08/01/2017 14:17

I would cite an article to prove a position or point.

I would link to an article for general consumption & musings if I found it contained interesting points.

Entirely different - and as I said before, you are not 'grading my work', I am not at school & couldn't give a hoot about being academically rigorous in my general mind wandering activities.

SleepingTiger · 08/01/2017 14:20

Inevitable 'Dead Cat Bounce'.
It will be a little weird going back in again in 20 years time.
Hope Trump and Putin haven't ruined it by then.

Kaija · 08/01/2017 14:29

Blimey. It's been busy in here this morning.

Catching up now. So if I've got this right, pub rules are it's ok to link to academic articles, but not to cite them in support of your point. But don't post your own experience either because that's just anecdote and therefore irrelevant. Don't post anything showing concern for a third party eg immigrants - that's virtue signalling. Also don't make any serious points of any kind. But don't make jokes either, cause that's just goady. And finally don't post anything that Surferjet might disagree with. That would be hijacking.

Is that everything?

DarthPlagueis · 08/01/2017 14:31

I think so Kaija, oh actually, you have to buy into the cake and eat it version of Brexit and that the EU was wicked.

WrongTrouser · 08/01/2017 14:32

Ok bear you've made your position quite clear. I have absolutely no interest in talking with people who think that I or other leavers don't give a shit about anything else. I think you have demonstrated your smallmindness plainly. I will not bother reading or replying to your posts in future.

Fwiw I find the logic of you sort of viewpoint extremely difficult to follow. It goes like this

"I'm right, you are wrong. You should listen to me. I am so unable to even attempt to see things from your point of view that I will just summarise as "You don't give a shit about anything except leaving the EU." But despite the fact that I despise you and am totally unable to try to see things from your perspective, you should listen to me as I know what is best for you."

Good luck with that.

Inkanta · 08/01/2017 14:32

'Entirely different - and as I said before, you are not 'grading my work', I am not at school & couldn't give a hoot about being academically rigorous in my general mind wandering activities.'

Yes, I prefer conversation this way and without constant coercion.

When I was watching the Bowie documentary last night I kept clicking on this thread, mesmerised by the coercion and pressure put on MangoMoon to engage and answer questions. It was relentless!

DarthPlagueis · 08/01/2017 14:35

Pah, it wasn't relentless, but Mango chose to reply to my comment about the article, not to engage with what I had said, but to make a sarcastic comment.

There were 2 or 3 others posts following it.

Bearbehind · 08/01/2017 14:35

wrong, surfer has confirmed that, at least in her case, my assessment that Leavers care of nothing other than the badge of leaving the EU is spot on.

I'm not insisting I'm right, I'm looking for evidence that Leaving is the best thing for the UK; 6 months on I'm not even remotely convinced it is.

Bearbehind · 08/01/2017 14:40

Just to add, I was very careful to say 'most' Leavers in my posts. Yes there are exceptions but there's at least 3 posters on this thread over the weekend who are in the 'yeah we're leaving- fuck the consequences' category.

Bearbehind · 08/01/2017 14:43

Bugger 'many' not 'most'! Unfortunate error!

Inkanta · 08/01/2017 14:43

'Pah, it wasn't relentless, but Mango chose to reply to my comment about the article, not to engage with what I had said, but to make a sarcastic comment.'

DARTH I feel that I need to spell it out to you that to keep coming back at someone like a dog with a bone makes folk uncomfortable, and they might not want to engage. Posters should be able to post something without you on them like a ton of bricks!

Kaija · 08/01/2017 14:45

But if you post a link to a quite substantial article, it's because you want to discuss it, no? Why else do it?

Inkanta · 08/01/2017 14:47

'But if you post a link to a quite substantial article, it's because you want to discuss it, no? Why else do it?'

Maybe and maybe not. And maybe not straight away. Some things need chewing over or you may just want to share.

DarthPlagueis · 08/01/2017 14:47

Ok fine, sorry for trying to actually have the conversation, or to discuss the piece actually posted, rather than just blindly agreeing. Why should I not be able to ask questions regarding that piece?

Its fine for others to come and nod and agree but not for me to question it? Yet when remainers post things we get all sorts of questions raised over it? See my points regarding the BOE and low wages, Mango is all over that like a rash questioning it.

One rule for one seems to be the leaver way.

Inkanta · 08/01/2017 14:51

'Ok fine, sorry for trying to actually have the conversation, or to discuss the piece actually posted, rather than just blindly agreeing. Why should I not be able to ask questions regarding that piece?'

Ask the question and then step back - leave it at that. Folk may or may not answer your question or engage. Don't force it.

Kaija · 08/01/2017 14:53

OK. I'll leave this one here for chewing over. On negotiating trade deals, from someone who knows.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/08/trade-negotiator-shocked-at-brexiters-ignorance?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

DarthPlagueis · 08/01/2017 14:55

That's fine Inkanta, but Mango chose to make a sarcastic remark in response to my post, to be fair, if you were not going to engage you wouldn't have done that.

Inkanta · 08/01/2017 14:55

Okay - so I've done an hour on here this afternoon and I'm going off. Hope I'm not going to get called me back to answer questions. That's all from me.

Kaija · 08/01/2017 14:59

To be fair, I've just looked at last night's posts and there was only one question-y one, and that was only in response to a snarky one.

MangoMoon · 08/01/2017 15:00

See my points regarding the BOE and low wages, Mango is all over that like a rash questioning it.

😂😂

howabout · 08/01/2017 15:18

The view from the pub in Boston. Their feeling is that Remainers "still don't get what the problem is".

news.sky.com/video/ridge-on-the-road-the-view-from-boston-10722077

fourmummy · 08/01/2017 15:48

the link to the LSE blog about leaving the EU being a way to escape its Neo liberal approach. I said it was fanciful as the UK is the most neo liberal of all states, and that Brexit was being led by the arch neo liberals.

My understanding of the LSE article is that, with the EU, neoliberalism went supersized - that's the whole point of it. Everything that defines the neoliberal agenda - austerity, globalisation, uncontrolled immigration, and all the rest of it, is applicable to the EU and beyond, just in a bigger way. The reversal towards nation states via Brexit (and Trump) is an attempt to contain this particular form of capitalism within different, smaller borders. I think that the author makes the argument very clearly that supporting the EU is supporting more, not less, neoliberalism. He's asking readers to re-define geo-political entities such as the nation state or region to show how neoliberalism can function within a small entity (nation state) or a large entity (the EU).