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The Brexit Arms. For all those who like a good drink, a good flounce, & a bit of trickery.

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surferjet · 19/11/2016 18:07

Pull up a chair & relax......

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Bearbehind · 07/12/2016 11:21

If you think I'm bullying report me infinite

I'm pretty appalled that you keep accusing me of this. I might be forthright in my comments but I'm not bullying.

I didn't even bring up the subject that winter is now banging on about- funny you don't accuse her of bullying eh?

howabout · 07/12/2016 11:22

Pondering how radical I will have to be before I graduate to Brextremist status Xmas Grin

Thanks for posting the JRM link. It is quite thought provoking to push the discussion on decoupling from EU regulation. Purely by chance when I clicked on the link the next suggested link was to a Scottish Government project encouraging an acceleration towards the Scotland 2030 Green agenda. The pace of technological change is so fast atm that treacle slow bureaucratic EU regulation may fast become irrelevant - diesel emissions standards anyone?

I am a fan of the Supreme Court because there was a long history of the House of Lords sitting in Scottish cases without bothering to appoint a Scottish legal professional to sit in judgement on cases involving the completely different Scottish Legal system. However IDS's point about the need to sort out the boundaries of the separation of powers is well made. I think the key risk in the A50 case would be that a fairly narrow judgement dealing with inadequacies in DC's drafting of the EU referendum legislation and deliberate lack of clarity in the Lisbon Treaty leads the Courts down the path of legislating rather than interpreting - I think James Eadie made this point pretty persuasively.

Kaija · 07/12/2016 11:38

It's a good question, howabout. I suppose the answer hinges upon how much collateral damage you view as an acceptable means to the end of "independence".

howabout · 07/12/2016 11:53

But then Kaiji that leads me to the next question of how significant is A50 when in reality the EU won't even start talks until we trigger it (making any pre prepared Brexit plan effectively meaningless) and the final legislative decision will be fully debated within Parliament in the Great Repeal Act which is designed to mirror the 1972 Act (the only meaningful legislation according to Lord Pannick)?

MangoMoon · 07/12/2016 12:18

'Brextremist'

Wtaf?!

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 07/12/2016 12:24

You're a bully in a post-truth society, Bear!

winterisnigh · 07/12/2016 12:27

Bear how on earth can you accuse me of bullying over pointing out behaviour you perpetrated and with no apology to me. I would be mortified to go after a poster like you did, hound them off the boards, and never even apologize over mistaken identity when it was clear you were in the wrong. But even If you were right, its still not a way to behave.

Again lovely turn of phrase " banging on about" Hmm

howabout · 07/12/2016 12:34

Still in pursuit of my Brextremist badge to compete with Lord Sumption's team GB tie.

Very proud of NF, a fellow Glaswegian, for acknowledging his shortcomings. This is a monumental achievement for any Glasgow man but especially those who attend Glasgow Academy and then endure a lifetime of being feted by the great and the good of rUK and the US. I fear Tony Blair, being a graduate of Fettes, may never come to his senses.

Bearbehind · 07/12/2016 12:44

winter stop dragging this on and on.

Happy to ignore you on here but this is just derailing and boring.

seek I don't understand what a post truth bully is?

winterisnigh · 07/12/2016 12:50

Bear sure, why don't you apologize and we can draw a line under it? I have been on MN for several years now, and never had a poster behave like that towards me. I would have thought after that nasty episode you would have toned down your style? If you had perhaps I wouldn't have said anything....

you have derailed this thread Bear.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 07/12/2016 12:51

I mean, the truth is that you aren't a bully, but in post-truth society maybe you are! Grin

surferjet · 07/12/2016 12:55

Why don't you lot just go and play your stupid games somewhere else.
Leavers - just ignore

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Bearbehind · 07/12/2016 12:57

Lol seek

winter I've drawn a line under it- it is you who is banging on- and yes I did mean to repeat that as it is exactly what you are doing.

My posts were deleted so you got what you wanted several weeks ago. I have no idea why you need to post all the details again other than to continue goading me to try and provoke another reaction.

I won't be apologising or rising to your baiting any more.

winterisnigh · 07/12/2016 12:59

Isn't it rich though for YOU to decide when to draw a line under it - when it was ME who was at the other end of your awful posts?

As I said I would have thought after that an apology would be in order?At the very least some humility and a toning down of your style? I suppose some people feel no shame.

winterisnigh · 07/12/2016 13:04

My posts were deleted so you got what you wanted several weeks ago

Your posts were deleted because they contained un true accusations as to my identity. But the whole tone of them and subsequent posts were extremely rude and your still posting in that same style, to me and other posters.

I guess I am just wondering what is going on here. I have been ignoring you Bear for a while now, but I guess the question is - how long do you leave a bully to go on baiting people?

Or perhaps we should all ignore you on this thread?

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 07/12/2016 13:13

I think really, what you don't like is anyone who doesn't post 'yay, mine's a pork scratching, isn't a red white and blue Brexit fantastic and clear, hurray to be out of the EU', and so you're waffling on about crap that's really old now to try to shut other people up.

Bearbehind · 07/12/2016 13:20

Give it up winter. You're clearly just itching for a fight because you dragged all this up again yesterday for no other reason than to goad me.

I really don't care who your previous identity is/was. What I do know is the whole palaver a few weeks ago started because you were prodding your pokey stick in my direction, just like you're doing again now.

Foolishly I reacted that time but I won't be bothering again. I'm not going to respond to you in future so you can't moan about my tone. I won't be changing my posting style just because you tell me to either.

I'm pretty much ignored on these threads anyway because no one can actually answer any of my questions so I'm hardly going to notice a difference am I?

Having said that, it's another example of your provaction of me by trying to rally your troops and get everyone to ignore me now.

Leave me alone.

birdybirdywoofwoof · 07/12/2016 13:28

but I guess the question is - how long do you leave a bully to go on baiting people?

I think if the bully is a brexitter and wants to talk about remainers being "enemies of the people", who should be done for "treason", and "why are you doing on this thread", then you don't challenge them at all. EVER.

However, if the bully is a 'remoaner' then you should try and hound them of the thread.

Hope that helps.

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MangoMoon · 07/12/2016 13:29

Can't speak for others, obvs, but when I ignore people it's not because I can't answer their questions, but rather because I can't be arsed with the merry-go-round of pointless griping.

What questions cannot be answered btw?

howabout · 07/12/2016 13:34

Lord Pannick's response to James Eadie per the BBC:

"Lord Pannick is moving quickly to his conclusion, suggesting Attorney General Jeremy Wright's contention that Parliament can look after itself and defend its own interests with regard to Brexit is a "bad legal argument".

He goes on to suggest that the government cannot rely on the Great Repeal Bill as evidence of Parliament's future likely involvement in the Brexit process, arguing there can be no certainty there will be a bill at all or what it will contain.

Summarising his and his client Gina Miller's case, he says.

The volumes of material before the court and the eloquence of my friends the attorney general, Mr Eadie and the advocate general for Scotland should not be allowed to obscure the basic principles of constititutional law which I say the appellant's argument would violate."

I remain unconvinced because while he casts doubt on the forthcoming Great Repeal Bill his central argument is the overriding legislative status of the 1972 which he then seeks to imply meaning to as there are no explicit provision pertinent to his case.

I want to know what they are having for lunch. Where are the tabloids when you need them?

Last time I left you alone to go and pick up my 5 year old you had a bigger tantrum than she can ever manage Bear Xmas Shock

Bearbehind · 07/12/2016 13:37

The one about paying to stay in the Single Market is the latest example mango

Only you answered and you said you'd rather we didn't but it was ok if we did which is an example of my point that all anyone seems bothered about is that we 'leave the EU' and end freedom of movement.

No one else has commented but surely, if people like infinite are waiting for the pot of money we'll eventually save by leaving the EU then this proposal would infuriate them.

Bearbehind · 07/12/2016 13:39

Another example of goading being ok if it's done by certain people eh howabout. You've had a few digs at me lately too.

MangoMoon · 07/12/2016 13:42

We could change our stance on single market etc at any point in the future though - hence my not being overly concerned.
It's paying for access (and the downsides) as long as you want to - you're not irrevocably shackled to it

The first hurdle is to 'leave' the EU as an institution - the rest is a slow burn as far as I'm concerned.
The cost of single market access is far less than full EU membership though, regardless.

MangoMoon · 07/12/2016 13:49

Again, with 'freedom of movement' - it's not necessarily the movement or freedom to do so that's the problem - the problem is that there is no control or brakes.

Successive govts of all colours have failed to keep growth & development of infrastructure, health, education resources etc in line with growth of population (and changing demographics of population).
Wholly the fault of the govts.

We are now creaking at the seams - not because we are 'overfull' but because we are not adequately resourced.

If we had control of some type on immigration, we could ease & tighten as required, rather than just be a continuously open door - this would be better for everyone in Britain, migrants included.

WrongTrouser · 07/12/2016 13:52

Mango Can I ask what you read in terms of news and political analysis? The article surfer linked to in the New Statesman was very interesting - am thinking about subscribing. Any other suggestions?

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