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Farage was not the leader of the leave campaign.

Can some one explain the umbrella thing?

Anyone who believes the remain campaign perpetrated as many falsehoods as the Leave campaigns could always bring a complaint to the cps like this one. I wonder what they would put in it.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/07/cps-considers-complaint-that-leave-campaigns-misled-eu-referendu/amp/?client=safari

You're not arguing with Nigel farage. And see what time said.

See the remainers actually complained to the cps. Stop at nothing. Majority means nothing.

It has absolutely nothing to do with "the majority". Nobody is saying that voters lied, rather that we were lied to, blatantly and repeatedly. I still find it surprising that there are people who think this is fine, but I suppose for some the means really do justify the ends.

Or the ends the means even.

WW: the umbrella joke relates to a post some pages back where marchers were being discussed and someone mentioned a madwoman shaking an umbrella. Now it is being suggested it might have been you.

Kaja - I read that article yesterday and scrapping the bottom of the barrel sprung to my mind. I am realising that there really are no avenues that won't be gone down to try and get a different outcome.

'Scraping' not scrapping.

Time, it's not about getting a different outcome, it's about trying to restore some standards to political life. Are you really happy about the way the leave campaigns were conducted? You thought the bus was fair enough, and the threats of Turkey's accession? Not to mention the false celebrity endorsements and statements used misleadingly out of context and without permission?

Can some one explain the umbrella thing?

The first thing that sprang to mind was suffragette?

Anyway lets hope non of the no borders crowd turn up and make things violent.

and someone mentioned a madwoman shaking an umbrella

Interesting, suffragettes were degenerated in this way too mad women

Yes. Yes it's exactly like the suffragettes.

Under electoral law, "undue influence" is considered a corrupt practice and includes the use of "a fraudulent device or contrivance" to "impede or prevent or intend to impede or prevent the free exercise of the franchise".

But you could also apply this to George Osbournes emergency budget or Mark Carney's threat to interest rates and house prices (and which he has admitted last week he got wrong).

I am all for raising political standards but not like this.

So mad wild incoherent

Hmm

'It's not about getting a different outcome'
Yes it is

Go ahead and raise those things with the cps. I don't think they are remotely similar given that they refer to future predictions based on article 50 bring invoked immediately after the vote, but give it a go by all means.

Breadandwine see paragraphs 99 and 100.

Is it Winchester? Well that would be exciting news. But actually it's as the professor says:

"None of us is willing to allow the UK to be dragged down to some kind of populist 'who can lie and deceive the most?' race to the bottom, such as we witnessed earlier this year."

But you could also apply this to George Osbournes emergency budget or Mark Carney's threat to interest rates and house prices (and which he has admitted last week he got wrong).

No you couldn't because those were forward-looking statements on what may happen after Brexit, and they were reasonable statements to make. Brexit hasn't happened yet though so anything that was predicted to happen after Brexitobviously hasn't come to pass.

And there's a vast difference between forward-looking predictions, which everyone knows may turn out to be wrong, and outright lies about things which are blatantly untrue but were repeated so many times that many who voted leave still believe them.

Personally I think this particular attempt at legal action will come to nothing. If such action was going to be taken, it needed to be done immediately.

I seriously doubt the CPS will pursue it.

The chances of it being successful are small. The public interest thing isn't there imo.

If there had been a lot more evidence of 'leavers remorse' then there might have been a case. In the absence of that, its very difficult to prove very much at all, even though people have admitted to lying.

I am someone has for a number of years had a real problem with election leaflets and lies, so I would like to see action taken in this area, but after the fact in this particular case, I don't think its going anywhere at all.

But you could also apply this to George Osbournes emergency budget or Mark Carney's threat to interest rates and house prices (and which he has admitted last week he got wrong

Well quite.

It was also an example of what could happen - Turkey could join, etc. I am sure some people did take that literally but then I am sure so many many were terrified of project fear they voted that way too. You had to be brave to vote for brexit - for the un known.

Yes, agreed, red. I don't think it will have any effect on the vote, but the more noise made about this issue the better. I don't believe there is much appetite for this kind of behaviour amongst the general public but now the floodgates have been opened (and I do think it was significantly worse in the ref than in previous elections) it's not going to get any better unless something is done.

Osborne's emergency budget was if article 50 had been declared immediately, I do wonder what will happen with the autumn statement.

Carney's "threat" was nothing of the sort, it was advice by an independent body about a possible impact.

Its perfectly fine to raise either of these things though with the CPS, just as it is legitimate to raise all the points from the leave campaign about electoral law, which is obviously there to ensure that campaigns operate legitimately.

Rather interesting that the leave campaign keep objecting to things that are part of our democracy.

Remainers want a different outcome. This is the first step. You will do anything it takes because you believe you know better.