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Look at the front pages of the Daily Mail and tell me that our reaction to recieving relatively few immigrants isn't as shameful?

Sorry refugees.

By the way, sincere apologies for any snidely comments I've made today - am in a grump (for no good reason) and have taken my bad temper onto this thread.
Mango

Snidey, not snidely obvs - autocorrect failed me in my moment of need.

Before WWII Poland had the largest Jewish population in Europe at 9.5% (3 million).

The Poles have also historically been one of the largest immigrant groups in the UK well before 1945.

In fact the majority of Jews in Europe other than Germany were in the East - Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, as well as the Baltic states - Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia.

yy Vulper a friend of mine's Polish grandparents came over in the 20s.

"are you really suggesting that the UK shares the values of putting razor wire up to keep out immigrants as Hungary has done?"

You think it doesnt' ?!

Did you not see what happened when we took in about a dozen teenage refugees with a legal right to join family in the UK?

Can you imagine if we had a land border anyone could just walk over? Razor wire all the way, Paul Dacre would be personally out there manning the machine guns.

Well, just had another browse in here and I'm shocked at the level of arrogance, superiority and xenophobia towards Europeans on display. All partially covered in a veneer of false compassion for non Europeans. Astonished at what's been legitimized in the last few months.

I totally agree, it's really quite nauseating.

Jaws5 and Gloria - Exactly what do you find problematic about the conversation?

This is such a strange meeting place. Everywhere else I go no-one talks about the Referendum or these pesky judges who, Chris Patten said yesterday, are often telling Ministers what they can and can't do. His Chinese counterpart was puzzled by that.

Few people read newspapers these days and, apart from Mumsnet, have yet to meet anyone who's furious (Express), angry (Janet Daley) or will take to the streets (Faridge).

I realise FaceBook says different but participants are a somewhat skewed distribution of opinion.

The answer for me was to spoil my ballot paper

I can understand not voting if you can't make up your mind but spoiling a ballot paper always strikes me as a ridiculous thing to do.

You might think it's a protest but it just looks like you're too daft to put a cross on a piece of paper without spoiling it IMO.

Nah, spoiling a ballot paper shows you're not happy with the choice you're being offered and distinguishes you from someone who just couldn't be arsed to turn up.

I know a few people who spoiled or deliberately abstained, all of them (IIRC) on the grounds that we elected the gov't to deal with these sort of things and the referendum was a massive cop-out. As detailed in all the 'representative democracy' stuff above.

Disagree Bear.

Especially if the spoilt ballot says something worthwhile.
All such ballots have to be read out at count.

In one way that does get a direct message across to lots of people who are politically influential.

More effective that 140 characters on the internet can be, unless you go viral.

all such ballots have to be read out at count

Who records what they say and what is done with that information?

Also, that assumes the person actually wrote something as opposed to literally spoiling the ballot paper with a doodle or whatever.

So is the landlady in? Tally Ho brexiteers

No one? I'll just settle down with my bucket of wine then