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I wonder if there will be a general election?

If JC goes ahead with ordering Labour to block, then I'd like to see a GE.

Labour will be wiped out completely.

mango your comment completely proves the point I just made.

JC has said Labour will vote against invoking A50 unless we retain access to the Single Market

That's not trying to stop Brexit, it's damage limitation.

It's realising that making this solely about immigration to the detriment of the economy is a disastrous path to pursue.

Morningrunner - I completely understand it, thank you - no need for condescension.

Labour, making good choices for the economy - now that's funny

But it's not about subverting democracy/brexi. It's about a proper debate about what kind of brexit we want. I think most Remainers accept brexit will happen, but what it looks like is still up for grabs. TM put immigration at the top of the heap at the Tory party conference, but according to many leavers - including some of you lot - that's not why they voted to leave. The government's plan (or lack of) needs to be debated and scrutinised by patliament - after all that's what a parliamentary democracy is all about surely?

I don't think the vote re triggering article 50 should be about anything other than triggering article 50.

So, yes, I agree with your post - Leavers & Remainers are coming at this from completely different starting points.

Immigration was my top reason for voting leave, & I'm pretty sure it was for millions of others. TM knows this.

A proper debate about what type of Brexit is desirable is perfectly reasonable - was there ever not going to be a debate about that??

This though is purely about voting to trigger A50 - nothing more, nothing less.
It's a legal formality.

Why are you so happy to start a 2 year ticking time bomb with no semblance of a plan in place beforehand mango?

Hard brexit IS brexit. There is no such thing as soft brexit.

Rainy very funny!

Bearnehind is wrong. It is about stopping brexit. If you don't believe it bear then listen to the people on YOUR side. They'll put you right.

What is the plan now bear?

The 2 year ticking time bomb doesn't start until after A50 is triggered.

This legal formality is purely about the permission to trigger A50.

Do the vote, agree that Brexit will happen & agree parliamentary authority for A50 to be triggered when the time is right.

I think Labour will be wiped out with that Brexit plan in a GE now.

Mango yes - a formality

Immigration was my top reason for voting leave, & I'm pretty sure it was for millions of others. TM knows this

And that is exactly why this ruling is a life line that will prevent this country going to the dogs because of narrow minded people who think this way.

All this 'will of the people' bollocks boils down to the fact you think the 'majority' voted because of immigration and that's simply not true.

Once you deduct those people you have gone to great lengths to state their vote wasn't because of immigration from the 37% of the population who voted leave your left with a considerable minority who want to sell the economy down the river over immigration.

Thankfully that won't happen now.

I honestly do not feel it is narrow minded to have concerns over uncontrolled immigration.

It's that word 'uncontrolled' I'm uncomfortable with.

The world is changing, people are sick of being bullied by the lefty thought police who tell us how wrong & ignorant we are.
& we're being told how bad we are by people like Keith Vaz who pays for rent boys behind his wife's back.

We voted for change & we're going to get it, so stick your pie charts & petitions up your arse.

Yes this could potentially stop Brexit if the debates lead to the conclusion it's going to be too damaging but I doubt that will happen.

All this does is temper the overriding priority being immigration and that's why so many of you on here are furious about it.

Did anyone else, when they were about 13, used to pretend in long inane phone conversations with other children that they were sharing drinks and food? Ooh, I'm sending you some of my chips now, can you taste them? Etc. This inane thread reminds me of that. Grown adults, wondering why everyone thinks they're stupid, going oooh immigration ooooh mine's a pint, ooooh I'm sick of the 'lefty elite' thinking I'm stupid.

What do you want to drink, Seek?

Don't read this thread then?

This legal formality is purely about the permission to trigger A50.

Do the vote, agree that Brexit will happen & agree parliamentary authority for A50 to be triggered when the time is right.

You are spectacularly missing the point the mango

'The time is right' is when there is a plan which parliament is happy with.

Much as you want it to be, the vote isn't just to say 'yes government you invoke it when you see fit', it's to give them permission to pull the trigger.

Ahh. Lost the last bit

To pull the trigger when it's 'safe' to do so