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[surferjet]

Welcome

Lol - me thinks he's played his hand too early - turkeys voting for Christmas anyone!!

You're missing my point Bear.

I've no problem with parliament debating 'when the time is right'.

I've no problem with parliament debating what the best 'type' of Brexit is.

My point is that at this point, following the legal ruling, parliament should be voting on nothing more than to say 'yes' or 'no' to Brexit, i.e. the permission to trigger A50 at all.

Mine's a pint
I'm sick of the lefty elites
Oooooh ooooooooh

Can we do that more ? It feels good

Mango keep saying it

It's such a good point

What's the plan bear

Surfer jet - it's refreshing to hear a leaver admit that immigration was the main reason they voted leave. I agree TM knows that the majority of leavers felt the same.

I'm intrigued though. Can I ask, what is it that worried you about immigration so much? I'd love to know your experiences of why it is so bad and do you really feel that the economic uncertainty, cost and upheaval that leaving will cause the country is really worth it?

On the subject of the recent court decision. I'm genuinely perplexed that leavers are so desperate to leave that any sort of scrutiny or debate on the terms of us leaving scares them so much? I agree the majority voted leave and so we should leave. However it's only right that parliament and our elected MPs should have a say on the type of exit we have. That's democracy at work. This is what you voted for. You really can't pick and chose the bits you want and don't want.

Quote: [My point is that at this point, following the legal ruling, parliament should be voting on nothing more than to say 'yes' or 'no' to Brexit, i.e. the permission to trigger A50 at all.]

But what is 'Brexit'? What do we actually want to acheive? Triggering A50 is suicide if our preferred terms are never going to be met and we will end up being forced by the EU (who are driven to pursue a hard line to set an example) to accept terms which are severely detrimental to our economy and our jobs?

It has huge implications for all of us and these all need to be considered (eg what about our freedom of movement and the benefits we currently enjoy? what about the Irish border and the peace process? what about flight routings? What about the implications for Scotland, tourism, financial services?...). That's not to say 'no' to divorce, it's just to see a few bloody good lawyers first.

I live in an area with high immigration and we voted to remain. I think lots of leavers voted to leave from areas with low immigration because of fear whipped up by the right wing press. I don't doubt that immigration had stretched services in some areas but surely the best think to do in these areas is invest in services?

It's not a right wing/left wing issue, particularly.

What's the plan bear

Asking me multiple times what the plan is won't make me magic one out of thin air ww

There wasn't one, that was rather the problem.

Now we have time to form one people a50 is invoked.

I do think you just say things to be provocative- you know as well as I do there is no plan

We had a plan. Calm was returning. Now what.

MangoMoon My point is that at this point, following the legal ruling, parliament should be voting on nothing more than to say 'yes' or 'no' to Brexit, i.e. the permission to trigger A50 at all.

As far as I'm aware there's nothing in the judgement that stipulates that that must be the case. Assuming that the judgement is upheld, it will then be up to the government what kind of resolution or bill is brought forward to parliament and then it is up to parliament how they respond to that: whether they're happy to vote a straight yes/no to A50 or whether they try to find a way to impose some pre-condicitions on the government.

Also, if they do it by resolution I would make a hefty wager that someone somewhere will try to mount a legal challenge on the basis that it needs to be done by a full act of parliament.

Course they would bunch of anti democratic idiots

I live in an area with high immigration and we voted to remain

Well of course you did because most immigrants will vote remain.

Just a resolution yes no.

The leavers voted to bring back power from the EU to the UK, right?

Then, when (our) judges declare that it is (our) parliament that should make the final decision on when/whether/how to implement our exit (not that it shouldn't take place), the leavers all get their knickers in a twist and shout 'foul'!

Not the brightest tools in the toolbox!

Well of course you did because most immigrants will vote remain.

Of course, because all immigrants could vote, couldn't they surfer

Maybe not Bear, but my vote counts as much as yours and you hate that, don't you?

Breadandwine - did you heartily as you typed that?

Sorry, autocorrect fail...

Should have read:

Did you headtilt as you typed that?

The leavers voted to bring back power from the EU to the UK, right?

Yes.

Then, when (our) judges declare that it is (our) parliament that should make the final decision on when/whether/how to implement our exit (not that it shouldn't take place), the leavers all get their knickers in a twist and shout 'foul'!*

No.
The ruling is fine.

It's the presumption by some vocal Remainers that 'this is the glimmer of hope that Brexit may now be stopped' that people are concerned about.

Let's not be disingenuous - using this ruling as an opportunity to derail Brexit is very much part of 'the plan' for some.

Not the brightest tools in the toolbox!

Sigh.
Yes - all leavers are stupid.

Bread we voted for our voice to be heard
You voted against sovereignty
You like sovereignty now because it tries to silence our voice

So why aren't remainers happy with a yes no resolution put to MPs?

We had a plan. Calm was returning. Now what.

If you think there a plan there's absolutely no point in discussing this further as we're clearly on different planets.