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Westministenders. Boris needs to learn from Yoda. Brexit Episode IV: A New Hope?

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RedToothBrush · 04/11/2016 18:05

"It is a period of civil unharmony. Rebels, striking from the High Court, have won their first victory against the evil Wannabe Empire. During the battle, rebel civilians managed to foil plans to the Empire’s ultimate weapon, the Royal Prerogative; a tool of the executive with enough power to destroy an entire country.

Pursued by the Wannbe Empire’s sinister agents, Keir Starmer, Mark Carney and Phillip Hammond race back to the office after the a50 judgement, custodians of the questions and authority that can save the people from economic disaster and restore sovereignty to the UK parliament…."

The start of this thread is deliberate to play up to the Remain v Leave thing but also to point out just how crackers it all is really and is increasingly being made out

Yoda once said: “Control. Control. You must learn control”. This is kind of important to the concept of taking it back. It seems the government might just be learning that ‘Taking Back Control’ means parliament and the courts get that control under the rules and law of the land rather than the executive being free to run away and go crazy about what it can – and can not - control.

Lets not get carried away by the ruling though. It does not stop Brexit. Nor does it save us from disaster. And the question of whether it really does give us a New Hope is still an open one.

That its worth remembering that Star Wars was still about a war and fight for freedom and Brexit is stacking up this way. And that the whole good versus bad thing is part of the problem.

In some ways its easier make it out as black and white and say Remain this and Leave that. Its wrong. Its not a fucking fairy tale. Its real life where things are much less black and white.

The ruling has provoked outrage from the right wing press. We are all very aware of this. And yet there are also key voices from Leave who regard it as nothing more than a tactical setback and see it as a positive thing for democracy and sovereignty. Voices not mentioned by the people plastering photos of judges over their covers. Today there has been the resignation of a Tory MP who voted leave who could no longer support the government and the way they were handling Brexit. He has been wrongly labelled by more than a few angry Leavers as being a Remain supporter.

We must not lose sight of this.

What the ruling does, if it stands, is change how Brexit will play out, not stop it play out. It does not remove the biggest barriers to Brexit. It merely forces those who have been trying to avoid many of these barriers and refuse to acknowledge them to tackle them head on. It limits the worst excesses of the right wing agenda by simply stopping abuses of power, not removing their power.

In essence it has forced the Brexit debate has been forced to shuffle a little towards the centre ground which is what May should have done from the off in order to build a consensus and win over support from BOTH Remain and Leave campaign.

So what has changed exactly?

Firstly, and crucially the ruling is pretty comprehensive and seems strong against appeal. That’s not to say that the government can’t win on appeal. It is just that they would need something pretty big to change it.
There is a strong argument to be made about why they are even thinking of appealing. Pressure has already mounted about the need for parliamentary scrutiny. If the government were true to their word then they don’t need the royal prerogative to invoke a50 for this reason.

It begs the question loudly about whether the use of the prerogative is primarily a political decision to benefit the Conservatives rather than in the best interests of the country. Using the prerogative is a shield and prevents people from seeing what is going on. The government claim it’s the EU they are trying to stop from seeing what is going on. Its not. The room the government has to negotiate and the cards they hold is so narrow and so few that the EU know every move the government can possibly make and can plan and act accordingly.

The stark truth is the cloak is to prevent the eyes of the UK from seeing what is planned and asking questions of it. The government are aware that they can not deliver on several of their problems. They are trying to spin it, exploit and manipulate the situation for their own political ambitions rather in good faith and in respect of the EU referendum decision. Which is quite incredible given the accusations levelled at those who voted Remain.

The principle of restoring the sovereignty of the country to parliament and British courts has been shown up as fallacy No1 and a shame.
So, can they reverse the decision of the court. Perhaps. Several constitutional lawyers say the government argued very poorly first time round. But it will now take something even more convincing to persuade the Supreme court that the High Court decision was flawed. May seems confident of a victory in the Supreme Court and has told Juncker in a phone call that’s what she thinks.

The big rabbit they do have, is to request a referral to the European Court of Justice to establish that a50 is reversible. Of course doing this seems unfeasible for a number of reasons – not least because of the irony of having to go to the EU because the UK courts didn’t come up with the ruling they wanted. But more because it changes the political dynamic of the next GE and sets it up to be about Europe alone and because it changes diplomacy with the EU. It also ramps up the stakes in terms of the threat of rebellions and no confidence votes being more likely. Nothing is beyond the rules of Brexit Farce and Hypocrisy though.

Secondly May’s personal authority, in particular, has taken a huge knock. She said that Article 50 would be triggered by the end of March. This is improbable now, especially if the judgment stands. The decision to even think about using the Royal Prerogative over Parliament raises questions about her judgement. And it is raised again by the decision to appeal as this may loose her even more time.

Not to mention its rather embarrassing to have to admit this to the EU. May has already phoned Juncker to say the UK is still on track for article 50 to be triggered in March which is a bold move. It could mean she has an even bigger climb down to make if the judgement does stand.

Her reaction to the ruling seems almost as if its personal and no10 has apparently come down hard on the attorney general for 'cocking it up'.

Thirdly if a50 does have to go through the Commons and Lords, it is unlikely to be invoked before late 2017 at the very earliest. It is far more likely to be in early 2018.

This also shifts the earliest date we will leave the EU until after the next round of EU elections in June 2019 and within months of the next planned GE in 2020. It also means the window in which May might be able to have an early GE (if she can get round the Fixed Term Act) is smaller and shifts to early 2018. Alternatively a forced early GE, as the result of a vote of no confidence, could lead to a proxy EU referendum 2 situation. Which is frankly, a bit of a mess and a headache for the Tories now.

It also means Heathrow is screwed as its going to clash with the a50 bill and potentially is going to face more legal problems as the most likely way to oppose it is likely to be through the courts using EU law on environmental issues, that ideally perhaps Heathrow advocates would like to repeal post Brexit to ensure it goes ahead. Especially since the government appears to ignored a report which says Gatwick was better for other reasons, and only a 1% increase in costs would wipe out the economic case for Heathrow.

Basically it would just mucks up May’s entire timetable.

Four, the ruling could well have implications for the ‘Great’ Repeal Bill. It could make it even more difficult to pass because of the constitutional implications with regard to the power of the executive and those pesky Henry VIII clauses. The a50 ruling is about the Royal Prerogative which is a separate instrument but some of the same principles about the role of parliament still stand.

Five, the ruling did not address the constitutional issues with Scotland. This is still a hurdle the government are likely to have to get over. The Scottish Government are now exploring this and whether to enter their own legal case.

Six, the ruling stated that the NI a50 case was ‘too broad’. This is fair comment. Their ruling also potentially gives strength to the arguments re: The Good Friday agreement with the difference between the power of the Crown with regard to international treaties but having no power over them in domestic law and the need for ratification via parliament. (And vice versa with their removal).

Seven, Mark Carney is going in Mid 2019. Which is now, very potentially, BEFORE Brexit. This is potentially a Very Bad Thing.

Eight, the right wing press reaction once again like May, questions the rule of law. This is concerning. And this position is being supported by the governments refusal to condemn it or acknowledge properly that they are appealing not because they believe the judges are biased but because they don’t think their case was presented well enough.

Nine, watch the NHS and how its handled. Two select committee chairs have now written to May on her not being honest about finances. The fate of the NHS is ultimately what public opinion will turn on. Don’t be surprised by a sudden bag on cash being handed out of nowhere.

And finally and once again in the words of the great Yoda.

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering”.

I wish Yoda were real. Somehow I think life would feel much simpler.

(The Supreme Court will hear the government’s article 50 appeal in early December (I believe the 7th has been mentioned). In an unprecedented move, it is believed all 11 Supreme Court judges will sit, reflecting the importance of the case. Judgment may not be handed down until the new year.)

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TheBathroomSink · 11/11/2016 10:36

The New Statesman reckons civil servants are betting on Fox to be the first of the three Brexiteers to resign, as Hammond and Davis have managed to forge some sort of working relationship.

Tim Montgomerie noted on twitter the other day that Fox knows the senior Republicans running the House and Senate very well, so could May see an opportunity to cut Farage off at the knees by using Fox as a middleman, given that Fox seems largely surplus to requirements for anything else at the moment

whatwouldrondo · 11/11/2016 10:41

Meanwhile on the other side of the world where there are other key world issues it looks as though DT will experience stalemate. Any move to protect manufacturing by raising tariff barriers to China will encounter the issue that the US is vulnerable to China taking tit for tat executive action. China holds much of the US's sovereign debt and many US companies have factories, or important parts of their supply chain, in China. ( Fenby is one of our few journalists who really does know his stuff on China. Interesting in itself that the Guardian have not switched on the comments because as a result he is a magnet for 50 centers /Chinese trolls) www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/11/trump-china-conundrum-clear-election-haze?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

whatwouldrondo · 11/11/2016 10:45

From the UK point of view as Red highlighted May may face some difficult decisions concerning which of the two superpowers she does business with and how. Just yesterday the Chinese Vice Premier paid a visit to Number 10 to sign off on investment deals including Hinckley.

LurkingHusband · 11/11/2016 10:45

China holds much of the US's sovereign debt

Amusingly (and correctly) described by as "the magic chequebook"

Now imaging China, ever so gently - but unmistakably - cupping Americas cojones ..

TheBathroomSink · 11/11/2016 10:46

The Indy has an explanation of the 'faithless electors' thing about the Electoral College - basically it could happen but it's extremely unlikely.

lalalonglegs · 11/11/2016 11:05

Wow, misti, I've just had a quick scan of @ShaunKing's twitter - the outbreaks of intolerance and bigotry scarily similar to post-Brexit triumphalism. My sister in law works in a nursery school just outside Chicago and she had children coming in on Wednesday morning crying because they thought their parents were going to be deported Sad.

Bathroom - would be lovely to think it might happen but I agree, it won't.

amaravatti · 11/11/2016 11:59

www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/09/trump-win-california-secede-calexit-silicon-valley

Growing movement for California to secede the union.

HummusForBreakfast · 11/11/2016 12:06

Interesting rad there about an historical analysis on what is happening with Brexit and Trumps (worth reading the next part with the answers to comments too)
medium.com/@theonlytoby/history-tells-us-what-will-happen-next-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714#.recej02ob

And stuff not to forget whilst all the stuff in the US is happening
www.thecanary.co/2016/11/09/everyones-looking-trump-theresa-may-just-suffered-humilating-defeats/

TheNorthRemembers · 11/11/2016 12:06

lala Not surprising when you can openly call a living human being "a loathsome creature".

Peregrina · 11/11/2016 12:08

Calexit might seem like a joke now, but 20 years ago, Brexit did, only supported by a few loonies in the Tory party.

Peregrina · 11/11/2016 12:36

BTW the article said that California on its own is the sixth largest economy in the world. Does that push the UK down into 7th place?

Mistigri · 11/11/2016 12:58

Wow, misti, I've just had a quick scan of @ShaunKing's twitter - the outbreaks of intolerance and bigotry scarily similar to post-Brexit triumphalism.

Worse, I think, because of how many of those incidents took place in schools.

Plus, people in post-brexit Britain may be concerned about their future, but for the most part they are not at risk of being deported without due process, or of being shot if they respond to racist abuse. It is at least a magnitude different.

Mistigri · 11/11/2016 12:59

Peregrina I think there a number of economies clustered around the same ball park, and which is larger/smaller depends on how you measure it and what exchange rate you use.

RedToothBrush · 11/11/2016 13:25

Jo Maugham QC ‏@JolyonMaugham
Interesting rumour, decently sourced, that Government wants to contend Article 50 is revocable. Unlikely, imo, but it would be fun...

Fair amount in the press today about MPs who want to block article 50 saying that they want an amendment that says the eventual deal, will go to the public in a referendum. What this doesn't say is how crucially important the reversibly to a50 this position is. If we were to vote against the deal, then we have no deal.

Whilst Maugham says he thinks this development is unlikely I'm not so sure.

The best way to stop the a50 challenge is to say a50 is potentially reversible. So far the government position under the orders of Davis is to say its not. And this makes sense because the diplomacy and politics change is you say it is.

But the goal posts have shifted this week. It will embolden the hard right, but it might also scare others in the Conservatives. Is May one of them?

www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-joker-in-theresa-may-brexit-pack/
Donald Trump: Joker in May’s Brexit pack

This article takes a look at what May might think of Trump.

May kept her counsel since becoming U.K. prime minister in July, refusing to meet either Hillary Clinton or Trump during the presidential campaign and wishing both candidates good luck ahead of Tuesday’s vote. Scratch the surface and Number 10’s deep unease at the prospect of a Trump presidency is clear.

Back in December 2015, May openly attacked Trump, describing his proposed ban on Muslims entering the U.S. as “divisive, unhelpful and wrong.”

^Her closest and most influential adviser Nick Timothy, now Downing Street’s joint chief of staff, went further still a few months later, publicly criticizing the next leader of the free world in a series of unguarded messages online. In March, before he was brought back into government when May became PM, Timothy wrote: “American politics was depressing enough before Trump took off.” Two months later he chided attempts by some in his party to deal with the Republican candidate. “Urgh […] As a Tory, I don’t want any ‘reaching out’ to Trump.”
Timothy’s comments are doubly revealing because of the extent to which May relies on his insights. When asked of Timothy’s influence, one senior Tory aide said: “If you want to know what Theresa thinks, find out what Nick thinks.”^

And of course the position of Farage, who for a man who was all about Britain and patriotism and rallying against unelected officials has taken about 5 minutes after Trump's victory to say he's going to become an American and declared himself a British ambassador to Trump and how he is going to work for us.

This is the actions of a man who is really motivated not for our interests but because he simply wants the end of liberalism and stands to profit greatly in status, influence and power - and not through democracy. Democracy is something of an inconvenience to him.

Downing St has dismissed him with a degree of annoyance as "irrelevant" but I'm sure there is more worry there than that betrays. It is once again trying to dominate the narrative and control the situation forcing it in a particular direction. The trouble is that May is reactionary to this, and not taking the lead herself. And she has very little popular support of her own - its simply a hijacking of Farage's stance.

So back to a50. There suddenly is a decision that will need to be made between the US and Europe (in whatever form that might take) and there are no guarantees that the US will stick by us. There is now a realistic possibility that we could be caught stuck in the Atlantic alone and isolated. This is not a risk that the government can really afford.

Not only this the chances of the EU, now having some sort of a real reformation - and being something very different also have increased. And may increase more, with a Le Pen victory next year. Making leaving the EU look very unattractive even to Leavers as the situation has changed dramatically.

There is something of a need to hedge bets, and perhaps leave the door open in a way that they didn't want to do before.

Maugham did write about this, in the FT last week
ftalphaville.ft.com/2016/11/03/2178734/after-the-high-courts-brexit-decision-forget-about-activating-article-50-in-march/
What in practice this is likely to look like is parliament constraining the government’s negotiating position. It is not inconceivable that parliament may wish to choose whether to accept the outcome of the negotiations. Indeed, it may even require that the deal negotiated by the government be put back to the people in the form of a second referendum.

Such a course would be wise. No one knows what Brexit means. It is possible that, as its advocates have contended, it will deliver greater democracy and prosperity. But is also possible that, as time goes on, the sunlit uplands foreseen by Boris Johnson dissolve into mere mirage.

Imagine this. It is November 2018. The promised trade deals have failed to appear. Unemployment and inflation are on the rise. The public mood towards Brexit has turned ugly, and so have negotiations with our biggest and nearest trading partner. In that world, any rational MP would wish that, back in November 2016, she had left ajar the door to remaining in the EU. Why make the decision now, with modest evidence, if you have the opportunity to make it later with more?

Not only this, there Could also be a certain practical sense to this. The Supreme Court rule in a way that forces the government into a difficult situation. If the court could reserve judgement by not giving a yes/no answer but respond in a way stating under which circumstances a50 could be invoked this by implication could include a referral to the ECJ that the government will be the one who has to make the political decision to have to decide whether it wanted to take that route rather than the Court.

By taking the position that a50 is reversible whilst the claimant is saying its not, the Supreme Court not the government is the one in a situation where the referral will fall to their responsibility.

This gets the government out of a tight spot politically, but is also potentially a sinister move or one open to exploitation by others as the whole idea of reversibility is playing with fire.

It might serve the interests of those hard right wingers who are keen to paint the Supreme Court as an instrument of the liberal elite or the EU. I'm sure Farage and Banks would be right on the case.

It would be easy for the Right Wing press to further erode public confidence in the courts, enraging the public and frankly undermine the rule of law in this country.

I think there are huge parts of the hard right who like the idea of elected judges like the US, as a way to get right of rights. If Roe V Wade is the big scalp sought by conservatives in the US then the Human Rights Act is the one here and being able to elect judges might pave the way for that, as trying to get rid of the Act, by any other method, is going to produce an almighty shit storm.

It is interesting to see that today the Daily Mail published letter (on p68) from Lord Irvine and Lord Mackay (who was Lord Chancellor under Thatcher, and a solid right-winger), so opposition to this is widespread and certainly not restricted to those who could be described as left or liberal leaning.

Westministenders. Boris needs to learn from Yoda. Brexit Episode IV: A New Hope?
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amaravatti · 11/11/2016 13:39

thank you so much, red, great analysis.
'It's the constitution, stupid', could be the slogan!

lalalonglegs · 11/11/2016 13:42

But if the government is gambling on the Supreme Ct referring the question of reversibility to the European Ct, wouldn't that throw Theresa May's timetable completely out of the window? And for various reasons, most notably the timing of an election, that timetable is sacrosanct?

I'm surprised the DM published that letter - I wonder what sort of pressure they were put under to run it.

TheBathroomSink · 11/11/2016 14:04

Democracy is something of an inconvenience to him.

Yes, because aside from the EU Parliament, which we all know has ridiculously low turnout and interest, every time he's tried to get elected, he's failed. I'm not including Ukip leadership contests here, just elections for public office. I saw a tweet in the last couple of days which I now can't find which said something like:

Number of people Farage claims will march on Supreme Court - 100000
Number of people Farage has persuaded to vote for him ever - 36000

Figmentofmyimagination · 11/11/2016 14:30

OMG Farage is so vile. He is Oswald Mosley, come back to haunt us.

RedToothBrush · 11/11/2016 14:42

The Daily Mail have another article today that's made me raise an eyebrow:

www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3926420/Brexit-trade-chief-Liam-Fox-criticised-not-making-official-EU-visits.html
Brexit trade chief Liam Fox criticised for not making any official EU visits

It of course, doesn't point out that he can't actually make any EU visits. I think May has said she wants to do Europe and the EU would refuse to see him on principle anyway.

(I also note this line below - 'Sorry we are not currently accepting comments on this article.')

The article is a Press Association one, rather than a Mail editorial one, but the fact is they still have carried it. Fox seems like he might be under pressure from a few directions.

Its been pointed out previously how pointless his job is, if we stay in the Single Market or Customs Union too, and how May appointing him would either lead to her either having a minister who was utterly pointless and made her look stupid for creating the position or she would be forced to concede that we do intend to leave the Single Market/Customs Union which would be a climb down of sorts too.

If it was the former, then how would they spin it? Probably by throwing Fox under the bus one way or another...

edition.cnn.com/2016/06/14/politics/newt-gingrich-house-un-american-activities-committee/index.html
Back in the US. Newt Gingrich wants the return of the Un-American Activities Committee.

sigh

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RedToothBrush · 11/11/2016 14:57

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/us-elections-donald-trump-immigration-hardliner-kris-kobach-mexican-border-wall-built-a7411476.html
‘The wall is going to get built': Immigration hard-liner joins Trump's transition team

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach has been described by critics as an 'anti-immigrant zealot' and a favourite of 'far-right nativists'

While serving as an adviser to 2012 Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, Kobach told The Washington Post he opposed any attempt to give undocumented immigrants a path to legal status. He wants those who are in the United States illegally to voluntarily deport themselves.

“We are constantly told that the only two options are massive roundups [of illegal immigrants] or an amnesty. But attrition through enforcement is the third way,” Kobach said in 2012. “Change the individual decisions of particular illegal aliens, and they will decide to leave the country.”

Well I guess that pretty much leaves make it as difficult as possible for ethnic minorities to live in the US.

and

“There’s no question the wall is going to get built,” Kobach told KWCH. “The only question is how quickly will it get done and who pays for it.”

This looks like its already shaping up grimly.

Zach Seward ‏@zseward
Richard Branson in a Q&A at Quartz: "We are not going to be investing much in the UK." Instead, "countries that are a bit more stable."

We are fucked when even Branson won't invest here.

And here's some more food for thought:
Jasmin Mujanović ‏@JasminMuj
After #Trump and #Brexit, I am increasingly convinced that #Milosevic is the most influential political figure of our time. Why?

Beginning in 1987, Milosevic (re)invented nationalism for the 21st century, built around faux populism and plausible deniability. Today, Putin copies his war tactics in Ukraine, the Western far-right his dog-whistle fascism. Both interpret democracy as mob rule.

Importantly, Milosevic never overtly endorsed mass killings or concentration camps. He merely spoke of us and spectral "enemies." He suffocated civil society and civility, and mainstreamed fringe extremists—then played reasoned arbiter, as man of the people.

But he the ultimate "insider," and he spoke of respect for the fatherland, he nurtured a culture built on vulgarity and chauvinism. #Serbia’s (still) vile tabloid press was merely a primitive version of today’s alt-right. The economy became a Ponzi scheme. Violence became normalized, at home and at abroad. It was fascism but in neon and gold-plating, no jack boots. A gilded age of hatred.

Milosevic understood that real democracy meant accountability but paranoia, chauvinism, and populism were an ideal faux social contract. Milosevic "invented" in the 90s (in miniature) a political project that now engulfs the whole of the West. And it is only beginning.

Of course, there is a far stronger democratic culture in US & EU than existed in SFRJ in 1987. But he responded to similar concerns: On their own, none of these issues presented a mortal threat to Yugoslavia. Leveraged by Milosevic together, they became hysteria.

The "system" tried to stop Milosevic; like Clinton, Ante Markovic was more popular. Liked and competent, he misread the situation. By the time Markovic created a mvmt, it was too late. Milosevic captured the (always venal) security apparatus and gave them a cause. By the time he spoke of "constitutional order," Milosevic had already created the conditions for chaos. All politics became reactionary.

This is not a original observation. @sarahkendzior has written alike for months. But the fear I feel tonight, I've not felt since '92.

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RedToothBrush · 11/11/2016 15:01

More shit for Corbyn to deal with.

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick
Peter Taaffe & 74 other expelled former Militant figures apply en masse to join Labour Party. Big test for Corbyn who was anti-expulsion. Other Militant figures applying to rejoin Labour include Tony Mulhearn and former Labour/Militant MP Dave Nellist. Militant mass application to rejoin Labour will test relations between Watson & Corbyn, since Watson strongly denounced Trot infiltration. Taaffe & Militant 75 applicants for Labour membership claim it is to support Corbyn in struggles against Blairites.

In 1982, before he was an MP, Corbyn ran Campaign Against the Witch-hunt from his N LONDON home, to support Militant against expulsions. 75 Militants applying for readmission also include Lynn Walsh, Keith Dickinson & Clare Doyle, members of expelled Militant "editorial board". Application by 75 Militants maintains lie that Militant was merely a newspaper. Was really complex organisation with secret party structure.

On #C4 News c 1985, Peter Taaffe claimed the Militant (Revolutionary Socialist League) Constitution I found & we broadcast was a "forgery"

Whether Militant get back into Labour is now probably down to Len McCluskey & Unite. This could be a punch up as expulsions 30+ years ago. Militant applications don't include Derek Hatton, their public face in '80s, who broke with them long ago, but still claims to be socialist.

Senior Labour source on Militant: "It's now up to Jeremy to tell the Party where he stands on this. He can't just sit back & say nothing." Senior Labour source says more minor Socialist Party, i.e. Militant, members have been quietly rejoining the party since last spring.

Joy.
So Helpful.

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LurkingHusband · 11/11/2016 15:07

It's a shame most English voters can't actually move beyond colours, and vote based on policy rather than prejudice Sad. If they did, the concept of the "safe" seat would be a hypothetical, and candidates might have to actually engage with the electorate.

You get the government you deserve Hmm

lalalonglegs · 11/11/2016 16:03

The possibility of A50 being reversible and the government using that in its appeal has made it to official news sites here.

Prof Paul Craig, an Oxford University expert on both EU and constitutional law, said the triggering of article 50 should be revocable by parliament. “It is a cardinal legal principle that a party is not bound by a contract or treaty until agreement has been reached,” he has argued in a blog. “The consequences of not being able to revoke would be particularly severe: withdrawal would have to proceed even if invocation of article 50 triggered an economic meltdown in the country.”

However, Craig said, enabling parliament to give its approval at an early stage might have dangerous consequences for democracy later on: “There is a deeper paradox in this litigation.”

Surely it would still need the European Court to confirm though.

Peregrina · 11/11/2016 16:03

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-37935401

This brave man fought against fascism. This brought tears to my eyes. Sadly the generation who were old enough to actively support the war effort are now rapidly passing away.

But too many of us allow Farage and co, to get away with their vile propaganda and say, Oh no, it's not the same.

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