To ask again who is happy about the direction Brexit is heading

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I wasn't going to start another of these threads after the second ended last night but today's ruling in the High court is pretty significant so I thought I'd ask again

Are you happy with the current state of play?

Totally agree banangio

It will just be the same old same old in this section.

I want to hear from other people.

I get so angry at the shallow idiots who can't even bear to look at the word Brexit.

I voted to stay. Decision was made. I Accept that. We leaving. Why on earth has this gone to court. Whats the point of voting if the court can over rule it. Does that mean if you vote in an election and for example tory got in, labour can go to court and over rule the vote?

london the court hasn't overruled it. They have just said it needs parliamentary approval. Which is what parliament is for

Which is what parliament is for

Which is one of the reasons the Leavers gave for voting the way they did - to have laws enacted by our own Parliament. Now it's been ruled that this is the due process, suddenly they don't like the idea.

londonrach your understanding of the process demonstrates exactly why this needs to go through parliament.

The court hasn't overruled anything. Article 50 says it is to be triggered in accordance with a state's constitutional requirements. The government seems to have assumed that this meant it could trigger without reference to Parliament. The court was asked to determine what the constitutional requirements actually are (as we don't have a written constitution it is not always plain). Yesterday the Divisional Court decided that the UK constitution requires Parliament to have a role - the executive does not have the power to trigger Art50 on its own.

Whats the point of voting if the court can over rule it.

The courts haven't overruled anything, despite what the frothing angry people say. They have simply clarified that the law and due process is followed.

We want to live in a society where the law and due process are followed, right? Right?

Does that mean if you vote in an election and for example tory got in, labour can go to court and over rule the vote? No, unless there was electoral fraud.

What do they do if they get elected though? Appoint a Prime Minister and then say, 'job done' and go home? Or do they stay around and represent their constituents? So in this case, shouldn't some MPs be saying that they have talked to their constituents and xxx is the sort of Brexit they would prefer?

london your post is exactly why I think this needs to be on the main boards. So when these points are made people like devi can state what the reality is. Pretty necessary looking at the headlines this morning and the downright lies (again) regarding what this decision means and the deliberate distraction away from the facts by for example pointed remarks regarding the "outwardly gay, ex-Olympic fencer judge" by the Fail. I am a remain voter. I am not dancing in the streets. I don't believe Brexit has been stopped. Not to be honest do I believe it should be stopped (almighty fuck up that I may believe it to be) because I accept I am not in the majority. However living in a parliamentary sovereignty of the kind so many leavers were so keen to return to (never left it but beside the point) and having watched in horror as the Executive go on their merry way with no consultation with the Legislature then I am bloody glad that the third pillar of our democratic system, the equally important independent judiciary have reminded the Executive that parliament is sovereign. Which should please Leavers as I thought that was what a lot of this is about! Do you really want to live in a country where the judiciary is not independent and isn't bound to independently uphold the rule of law! I repeat I don't think for one minute this will stop Brexit but I do think it will mean that May and co will be answerable regarding its form to Parliament. And don't worry about Mps voting it down. It would be political suicide to do so whatever they may think personally so if representing the "will of the people" isn't enough to make them vote for the Government then self interest will ensure they do I am sure.

Today has upset an awful lot of people who don't understand what has happened, after voting for something they didn't understand, whilst using a lot of terms they didn't understand either. Throw around the words 'democracy' and 'sovereignty' for weeks and then get angry when that's what you get

Stop being so bloody patronising!

NOBODY can understand the widest implications of staying in, or of coming out - even individuals of your giant intellect only THINK they know.

I voted "in" - but I think we should come out because that is what the majority of the population wants. That's what democracy is (or should be) about.

This petty squabbling by poor losers makes Britain a laughing stock.

That's what democracy is (or should be) about.

So what would you like to replace Parliamentary democracy with? Would you like a system where we have constant Referendums? Other countries do conduct their affairs that way, so it's not necessary an unreasonable way to govern.

I think people will stop being patronising when people realise it was an advisory referendum and the 'petty squabbling' is parliamentary democracy at work.

You may think democracy is what the majority of the population wants but in a representative democracy that is not always the case.

The UK is a representative democracy with an unwritten constitution. The High Court ruling is democracy at work. Lots of Europeans are better educated about constitutional politics and will fully understand what is happening.

I think we should come out because that is what the majority of the population wants.

Comment like this terrify me.

Bugger- posted too soon.

a) it wasn't the majority of the population

b) there is no consensus on what leaving entails

'Today has upset an awful lot of people who don't understand what has happened, after voting for something they didn't understand, whilst using a lot of terms they didn't understand either. Throw around the words 'democracy' and 'sovereignty' for weeks and then get angry when that's what you get'

I completely agree. I have heard many Leave voters openly admit that they didn't understand any of the arguments but voted Leave as a 'protest vote'

I think for me it shows other European countries in their true light. It's like they keep us on the good side at arms reach. I've never liked the fact that France seems to run Europe and hope to god that Theresa May continues to put them in their place.

I've never liked the fact that France seems to run Europe and hope to god that Theresa May continues to put them in their place.

Do you think that TM is more likely to put France in its place from outside the EU?

I've never liked the fact that France seems to run Europe

cheesy could you give us an example of what you mean by that?

The inability of people to understand that a) the very word "referendum" means that it was advisory and b) this isn't a court ruling on Brexit but on Theresa May's sneaky stance on it, makes me worry about the voting population.

All this "It's an affront to democracy!" and "a hollow victory for reMOANers" is getting tiring. Usually I'd leave them to just froth at the mouth about immigrants and sovereignty, but the hypocrisy/stupidity is too astonishing this time.

Peregrina, I thought all good foil hat wearing EU conspiracy mongers believed the Germans ran the EU!

Really what on earth is to be gained from leaving? The main objection from brexiteers appears to be that we didn't run the club.... which seems to parrallell the FR and DE minority party stance that we had too much influence. It's better to be a member of a strong union than a weak country on the edge of a strong union!

I think people will stop being patronising when people realise it was an advisory referendum and the 'petty squabbling' is parliamentary democracy at work.

Yes
I really dislike the way this is talked about on here. As if because brexiteers "won" the referendum that means the government can just steamroller a massive change on the UK popu latino with no oversight or understanding of how to mitigate the impact of that on society, because "we won and bremoaners are sore losers"
Massively over simplistic and downright scary view.
Theresa May pushing through whatever version of brexit she decides with no debate or assessment of parliamentary support is not far off the type of action you'd see in a dictatorship imo. It terrifies me and my feelings aren't to do with being a "bremoaner".
But let's hide this and pretend it's not happening because some people find it boring.

If The patronising and the response to patronising prompting more patronising is the vicious circle you wish to break, then be the wiser poster and stop patronising and you may achieve your ends.

I have seen some good explanatory posts on why yesterday's ruling doesn't mean Brexit is off. They will have an effect.

And yes many people aren't invested in following Brexit or the news in general. Most of us who are following in a non professional capacity have simplified the detail before typing up a quick reactive message on a talk forum.

'Massively over simplistic and downright scary view. '

Indeed. Views like that seem to be everywhere these days.

I heard Nigel Farage on the radio this morning, stirring everything up like he always does, suggesting the judges' decision was politically motivated, saying that he doesn't trust the justice system in this country (how does that chime with his bleating about 'sovereignty'?) and warning that '17 million people are about to get very very angry'. A shithead, but a dangerous shithead too

Obviously the words Farage should be held to a different order of scrutiny!

Completely agree with believeitornot

Word for word