I really don't understand what you are all talking about!

[Corcory]

I keep reading how upset people are with the speeches at the conservative party conference and what TM has said and what she intends to do. I keep hearing about all the xenophobia and racism in the conservative party.
Someone on another thread talked about TM's ' citizen of the world' speech and how aghast they were. What exactly are you talking about?
I really feel too many people are reading headlines or taking parts of speeches out of context and spinning them way beyond the truth.
So many of the posters on here are EU citizens and are becoming ever more frightened by the rhetoric . I really don't think it is at all fair to hype this all up and frighten people. I absolutely abhor any racist taunts or comments that too many people have had thrown at them. That sort of attitude must be called out and stamped on straight away.
But winding things up with untruths isn't helping.
The last time I brought up the fact that 'quotes' from the party speeches were inaccurate I was told in no uncertain terms I was being patronizing!

The Conservatives have always supported things like the NHS

Really? So when did things change, in your opinion, because they certainly don't support it now.

the element I was thinking the same. It seems that we can place evidence on the table only for it to be laughed at. Also, the opinion of any experts is increasingly dismissed as it doesn't relate to "the people". And then the same train of thought somehow blames "the press" for creating hysteria - I suppose the press does not include the Mail, the Express, the Sun and the populist, xenophobic front pages that we've had to endure for years.

The Tories used to support the NHS - but this was pre Thatcher. Thatcherism caused a change of direction.

Mail, the Express, the Sun and the populist, xenophobic front pages that we've had to endure for years

Ah jaws I believe, under the new definitions I am collecting, these are known as "Ordinary people haven't been allowed to talk about immigration for years because they have been oppressed by Pee Cee."

Me2017 It is not fair to say they (Tories) are the party who want to keep the rich rich and the less well off in low wages. Obviously Labour supporters might say that but it's not true.
That's quite an assertion. How have the Conservatives NOT kept the rich rich and how have the poor benefited from Tory policy? To make such a bold statement, you must have quite a lot of evidence. How about sharing it?

"politically correct gone mad" 😁

So just to be clear. When May said "But if you believe you are a citizen of the world, you are a citizen of nowhere. You don't understand what the word citizen means" she was only meaning bosses of companies that dodge U.K. taxes. Nobody else?

Also that section of the press is being kept happy, as "our boys" will soon be exempt of nasty accusations by "greedy human rights lawyers". Who needs human rights? Political correctness gone mad!

jaws, nobody's laughing at anything (not sure what evidence you have placed on the table).

The discussion is about how speed he's and policies are being interpreted.

The description hysterical is in reference to things like the picture I attached up thread, which is highly emotive and, I believe, can be dangerous as it is propoganda in a way.

You have started to use emotive language too, like 'branded about' (by which I assume you mean bandied about).

I believe that referring g to an old Jewish slur and talking about fascism is a hysterical over reaction. This is the Tory party conference, where hyperbole and populism is common, where a new leader is trying to establish herself among a divided party, and is going to have to negotiate a political minefield. There are going to be misfires, but people need to calm down and read the small print.

It will be ok.

(Just in case anyone missed it - I voted Remain, I am pro European and don't vote Tory, so please don't put me in 'that box')

speed he's should be speeches (sorry - I am on my phone)

Of course Bertrand, I have always considered myself a citizen of the world and a proud European, but I shouldn't take it personally? My teen daughter's instagram profile shows three flags, the three European nations that make her. When I saw it the other day I felt like crying. Is my 14 year old child also a citizen of nowhere?

wellthatsit the evidence is on the other threads, you'll need a few hours though.

Torys support the NHS? Have a look at how Andrew Lansleys non-sensical reforms completely trashed the funding system. I work with many NHS trusts and most of them are on the ropes financially. No-one has a clue who is supposed to be funding what, it's an utter mess. Next time you can't get a doctors appointment, don't blame "immigrants", blame Andrew sodding Lansley.

I hate being called "hysterical", it has such a negative anti women over tones.

The point being made over and over again is that language matters, TM used words carefully chosen. This is was a speech to her party, her maiden one at conference as PM. She chose them to strike fear in people like me and others, law abiding, tax paying people.

Her words inspired fear in me, I am European, came to the UK 10 years ago and now suddenly I am no longer welcome, a 'citizen of nowhere'. I cannot move back my home country, DP couldn't work there and our lives are in London. What happens to my life now? My hopes and dreams to continue to build a life here? I no longer feel able to to see into the future to plan my life. So no I don't think my reaction to TM's speech is hysterical. It feels very measured to me.

It's nice to hear that the OP's reasons for voting Leave are people like me, it makes you a xenophobe OP. There's no way around it as much as you wish to kid yourself.

Fairies, if you have been in the UK for 10 years and are an EU national, you have permanent residency rights already.

No gender politics involved in the word hysterical, by the way.

Corcory, your expression that you just want the control other countries like the US have doesn't sound that unreasonable. However, the Conservatives went much further than that at the conference. Rudd talked about drawing up lists of foreign workers, May spoke of immigrants taking British people's jobs and depressing wages and Hunt spoke of wanting fewer overseas doctors as I quoted above. May also spoke of 'citizens of the world' being 'citizens of nowhere'.

While you may still want to leave the EU, can you understand now why those of us with proudly international roots/partners feel alienated? I don't think my DH took a British person's job. Indeed, if we are now to move overseas, at least two British people who work for him would be unemployed.

In fact, the Telegraph has reported that the majority of EU nationals will have a legal right to stay, whether the governed want it or not.

Which I hope is true...

Wellthatsit there's been no official confirmation that EU nationals will get automatic 'grandfather' residency rights yet, it's murky waters without full British citizenship.

It also doesn't change my feeling of having the rug pulled from underneath me. I love this country, I choose to live here, and yet I get the distinct impression that many people wish me to leave.

There is gender politics in the word hysterical , men rarely get called hysterical, and it's levied at women as way to diminish their opinions all the time.

Wellthatsit, for many the point is not whether EU citizens have the right to stay, but whether we feel that we are still welcome in a place that had become our home.

If you have ever moved away from home, the new place becomes your new home. If you were an overseas doctor who has lived in Britain for 20 years, how would you feel when Hunt says that there are too many of them, and that the NHS should not turn away British applicants whilst taking foreigners? Would you feel equal or somehow less than your British colleagues?

fairies that's exactly my situation. I moved to London, studied here, married and had children here, pay tax, and now for the very first time I feel unwelcome here. I came here as a EU citizen, now i see myself refered to as a "EU migrant" in the front pages of the Telegraph, trying to work out what my rights will be.

OP, I have read TM's speech in full (Telegraph) and there are a whole load of things that I disagree with which are not the subject of your thread.

She makes the infamous reference to "citizens of the world" while talking about a spirit of citizenship, and directly before that sentence she talks about "international elites" without defining who these are.

It is only in the next set of sentences that she make mention of bosses who don't look after staff, companies avoiding tax and so forth.

So I don't see how you can confidently declare that she was aiming only at the Philip Greens of the world.

Re hysterical, I was pointing out that it is unhelpful to bring the gender politics of the word into the argument.

Fairies, it is absolutely horrible that people like you are being made to feel unwelcome and fearful. I think the language used in the party conference was anti immigration, for sure.
TM is clearly pandering to the Leave tories, which is understandable given the situation she is in.
But the bottom line is: no-one yet knows what is going to happen with Brexit. There are no guarantees you will be allowed to stay, but there are also no guarantees you will be made to leave. And the law implies you won't be.

I think some of the proposals, like listing foreign workers could be as much as about figuring out who is here as to name and shame (given that the government has very little clue who is in the country as under Labour there was very lax recording of immigration).
You say language is important. I wholeheartedly agree. But that cuts two ways. The 'extreme' (for want of a word that is not gender politicalised) reaction accusing the Tories of fascism and comparing them to the Nazis is dangerous too. It breeds much greater fear and anger that then blinds people. The media feed off it in a kind of symbiotic relationship. This is how UKIP became influential. If there had been honest and measured discussion in both press and public arenas, I don't think Leave would have succeeded.

In fact, the Telegraph has reported that the majority of EU nationals will have a legal right to stay, whether the governed want it or not.

Only if they also have citizenship. Nothing else is certain at all, and you cannot claim otherwise.

I didn't claim it. I said the Telegraph claimed it and hat I hoped it was correct.