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RBeer · 26/09/2016 16:15

Looks like the fanatics on the right are getting their way and a Hard Brexit is the way its going.
Time to start planning the future....

Reuters.
Britain appears to be heading for a 'hard Brexit' under which its relationship with the European Union is reduced to little more than trade agreements, Scotland's external affairs minister Fiona Hyslop said on Monday.

Scotland recently appointed its own representative, Michael Russell, to take part in talks with Brexit minister David Davis to establish a UK position under which talks with the EU might take place.

"They've met within the last 10 days. The process for those internal negotiations is currently being established," Hyslop told Reuters in Paris after meeting France's European Affairs Minister Harlem Desir to discuss Scotland's attempts to make Brexit as much like remaining in the EU as possible.

"I'm worried just now that the UK looks as if its heading to a hard Brexit. However those internal discussions with Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland have only just started, so we will try and shift that position," she said.

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CrikeyJoseph · 30/09/2016 16:50

Well l think you're wrong Wendy. The economy is pretty screwed now. It's not going to get better with no trade partners.

Everyone hates the banks but the financial sector puts a lot into the British economy. That in itself will really when/if it goes.

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CrikeyJoseph · 30/09/2016 16:51

Really hurt

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Bearbehind · 30/09/2016 16:59

wendy why do you want out of the EU in its entirety?

How do you envisage that actually happening given how entwined our economy/ trade etc is?

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Helmetbymidnight · 30/09/2016 17:14

Ah come on, you know it's unfair to ask brexiters for details. It upsets them.

Brexit means brexit, right Wendy?!

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Bearbehind · 30/09/2016 17:20

I know you're right helmet but I live in hope that there really is more behind the 'we voted out, we're leaving, yay' type comments than meets the eye.

Unfortunately there's absolutely no evidence that they are any less vacant and meaningless than they first appear and there's not a single, credible argument behind them.

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Peregrina · 30/09/2016 17:37

wendy why do you want out of the EU in its entirety?

Silly question: £350 million a week for the NHS, Sovereignity, Curb EU immigration.Wink

Realistic answers - end of car manufacturing in UK (nearly all foreign owned). Higher costs, lack of regional aid, break up of UK, still being bound to EU if we wish to export to them, lack of NHS staff...
Just a few for starters.

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Saxie007 · 30/09/2016 21:54

Don't forget more money on civil servants, management consultants and other bureaucrats.

Photo courtesy of have I got news for you.

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twofingerstoGideon · 30/09/2016 22:56
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RBeer · 02/10/2016 17:10

Well apparently I was wrong, according to May, and there is no such thing as soft it hard brexit. So can we just call it Brexit Right.

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Peregrina · 02/10/2016 18:54

We need to take some comfort from history. Portillo said in 1990 that the Poll tax was here to stay. The Poll tax did for Thatcher. Portillo, remember, used to be a politician, not someone travelling round on Europe's railways with a 1913 Bradshaw.

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justicewomen · 02/10/2016 19:17

For all you excited about hard exit, please do some research on regulatory conformity assessment  what is known generally as a non-tariff barrier (NTB) or, sometimes, as technical barrier to trade (TBT). This is regarded by experts (yes people who actually know their stuff) as the biggest concern about hard Brexit.

Potential exporters not only have to ensure their goods conform, they must provide evidence of their so doing. This requires putting the goods through a recognised system of what is known as “conformity assessment”.

As someone commenting on politics.co.uk said:
"They reason -deluded MPs- that merely conforming will give us "access", but that's just not true. It's the certification that's shot here, and that means consignments in inspection sheds at the border for days. Catastrophe"

The single market (soft Brexit) would give us the regulatory conformity to keep our trade going into our biggest market. Hard Brexit means we cannot trade for the time it takes to enter into the sort of agreements with the EU that China, US and Australia have already negotiated (all which took years). And the EU countries are not inclined to give us favourable terms.

This article explains it in detail: leavehq.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=128

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