Project Fear were wrong all along?

[MrsPeterParker]

With all the newspapers and economic reports screaming there is no/ only positive impact of brexit so far, do you think the Remainers were all wrong and needlessly projecting doomsday scenarios ?

Was Boris's great grandfather not Turkish?

corcory you keep trying to convince yourself that there is a plan but we're not being told if it suits your cause.

The reality is that this isn't a facade- when TM's 3 muppets pop up making statements that she then has to contradict/ down play it's not part of an illusion, sadly it is actually the fucking shambles it looks like.

but it doesn't mean the government doesn't know what is going on.

They might help themselves give an impression that they know what they are doing, if Fox, Johnson and Davis could learn to think before opening their mouths, and having to be slapped down by Theresa May.

Hammond, by contrast, as far as I am aware, hasn't opened his mouth and put his foot in it.

Fox, Johnson and Davies are behaving in a way that looks unprofessional. To compound the effect May keeps undermining them. And Hannon has got in on the act too.

This makes it extremely difficult for international diplomatic relationships and international business alike. Neither can plan nor have confidence in the government.

This is to the point that the head of EU negotiations instead of respecting the UK and thinking that they are tough and going to be serious when it comes down to it, has written a message on facebook mocking the British Cabinet.

It make no difference whether there is a plan or not when this is going on. The government simply is not commending respect which would make people feel like there was a competent plan going on behind the scenes and this in its own right is damaging.

It doesn't matter if you are pro-Brexit or pro-EU you should be shaking your head in disbelief at this. Anyone going 'but there's a plan', is nothing but a blinkered fool trying to convince themselves that its not glaringly obvious there is a major problem with the government's competence.

Just because they haven't told us all what there plan is doesn't mean there isn't one.

Oh how reassuring! And this is us 'taking back control' is it? What a fucking joke!

It's been over a quarter of a year. The UK is now an international laughing stock. GBP flushed down the lavatory. The country is run by an unelected autocrat.

There is unfortunately no secret plan in the universe which could compensate for the irreparable damage already caused to the UK's international reputation of democratic integrity and competent governance.

But the problem with that is you and I may well not know what is going on, but it doesn't mean the government doesn't know what is going on

So when yet again May has to slap down some ad hoc statement from the merry trio of Brexiteers thats part of the plan?

Oh bless, Corcory thinks the Government has a plan. Such trust.

So much for "taking back control"...

Priti Patel as just explained The Plan. It's to 'make it a success'. Hope we're all clear now.

Glad that's all cleared up then...

Corcory, the EU guy is repeating what Bojo said, according to the Telegraph, and that matches Bojo's long time aim of wanting Turkey in the EU, campaigning for it since 2008.

Fox's view wasn't from his recent speech.

And as has been said, if I'd have voted Leave I think I'd be absolutely furious at what has been going on, particularly Grayling saying the £350million was an aspiration. At least two grandsons who voted Leave are - that's some comfort to me.

Petronius - Boris is of Turkish stock so I would think he was always keen on seeing them in the EU. But obviously politically things have changed politically in Turkey recently so I really don't think he was talking about getting them into the EU at his most recent visit.

I am certainly not 'absolutely furious' about what has been going on, why would I be. I am amazed at how many people everyone seems to know on these boards who didn't understand the £350m thing and were taken in by it. I am not suggesting it was a good thing to have on the bus or on posters. I really think they were very badly advised about that. Had they used the net figure it would have been an enormous figure anyway so what was the point.

I'm saying that 'if' the government has a plan then we are not going to know about it. They aren't going to tell us what their negotiating tactics are are they! As for the daft things said by the three musketeers, well they are all loose canons so they are going to blurt out things that are not entirely on point. But the idea that TM is forever having to slap them down I'm sure has been spun very well as has what they actually say.

Corcory: Was Boris's great grandfather not Turkish?

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Petronius - Boris is of Turkish stock so I would think he was always keen on seeing them in the EU.

Just interested, do you think that having one out of eight great grand parents of a certain nationality would prompt him to pursue a political agenda clearly in conflict with the basic criteria for EU membership?

Genuinely interested.

I can just imagine someone going "Turkey! We need a trade agreement with Turkey! Send Boris to talk to them, he's part Turk!"

This would, I think, be typical of the kind of shambolic blue-sky thinking going on within government at the moment.

As for the daft things said by the three musketeers, well they are all loose canons so they are going to blurt out things that are not entirely on point.

But we're not talking about minor things being slightly of point here; Davis said it was improbable we'd remain in the single market after Brexit, TM said that wasn't the governments stance.

That's not someone spinning vague comments, it's 2 completely contradictory stances from the very people who need to deliver Brexit.

It continues to astound me that, having voted to Leave, you're happy with the farce that is playing out now.

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/30/nissan-hard-brexit-compensation-new-uk-investment-tariffs

Car factories won't be going anywhere eh? They will stay in the UK no matter what?

Project head in the sand wrong again.

Corcory, at least we can agree on one thing, I don't understand why people believed the lie either.

Boris's poem, written in May 2016

“There was a young fellow from Ankara
Who was a terrific wankerer
Till he sowed his wild oats
With the help of a goat
But he didn't even stop to thankera.”

Three days ago Telegraph reports
“during his first official visit to Turkey, Mr Johnson said that Britain will "help Turkey in any way" now that it is leaving the EU. “

Huffington Post
“Johnson maintained on his visit to Ankara that Britain would stand “shoulder-to-shoulder” with Turkey, and praised the country for the “remarkable work” it was doing dealing with the refugee crisis.“

The Express
“The Foreign Secretary is currently on a two-day visit to Turkey as he bids to repair relations with the country’s President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.
Appearing at a press conference alongside the Turkey’s EU minister Ömer Çelik, Mr Johnson vowed Britain would help the country “in any way possible” to join the EU.”

They are certain what Johnson said – Guardian, Independent all reported the same.

In negotiations it really doesn't matter what anyone says, it's how they are perceived that matters. I'd take a guess that under the radar the EU negotiators will know what game he's playing (they're politicians after all) but use whichever speech suits their purpose.

"As for the daft things said by the three musketeers, well they are all loose canons"

For heaven's sake WAKE UP.

This is the Foreign Secretary, The Secretary of State for international trade, and the man in charge of the whole gargantuan task of extricating the country from the EU. They are not some random has-beens (if only) making off-the-cuff remarks. You should be very very worried indeed about the lack of competence, understanding and integrity they are repeatedly displaying in their roles.

But the idea that TM is forever having to slap them down I'm sure has been spun very well as has what they actually say.

At the moment it's about once a week and they only returned from summer recess 4 weeks ago.

It could get better, but as Kaija says these aren't junior ministers in charge of obscure departments.

What a fucking shambles, the three stooges couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

And more good news.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/30/european-customers-boycotting-british-cars-eu-brexit-vote-jaguar-land-rover?CMP=sharebtnn_tw

It's almost as if they want to blackmail us into staying :) just the sort of people you can trust with your economic future

Hardly blackmail. The world wants us to stay in, WinchesterWoman, as I am sure you well know - with the notable exceptions of Putin, Trump, ISIS, and far right groups across Europe.

The globalists want us to stay in. And treat people as a capital property, not people.