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to agree with the positive Brexit plan below?!

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MenMust · 29/08/2016 20:27

Having watched a documentary recently about the making of the London Olympics 2012 Opening Ceremony, I was reminded of the sheer skill, innovation and creativity possessed by this nation. This left no doubt in my mind that the UK is completely capable of making a huge success outside the EU.
The first thing the people of the UK need to do is to focus on positive outcomes and opportunities created by the historic decision to leave the EU. Everyone, including those who voted to remain, need to put aside all negativity and differences and anger. Whether you voted to exit or not, it is now going to happen and so all thoughts of doom and disaster are wasted energy and need to be put aside. Pessimism is a self-fulfilling prophesy and if you concentrate on what you think are the negative consequences of Brexit, you will drag the UK down.
Of course there is a risk to exiting the EU. However, there was always a risk to staying in the EU as it is a changing entity. A vote to remain was not a vote for the status quo. The UK will face challenges as it has always done and there will be those who lose out because of Brexit but there will also be those who gain. The EU however also faces an uncertain future. The Euro is in trouble and requires fiscal and budgetary union for any chance of survival. The EU’s economic performance has been poor and its share of world GDP is set to fall. It has failed to keep up with 21st Century globalisation and emerging markets. Further integration is not popular. The EU needs to change radically if it is to survive.
Now the UK has a new PM, Theresa May in place as well as a new Cabinet, the Government needs to appoint the best advisors and negotiators in the land who can help secure the UK the best deal with the EU. The Government should take its time to work out what the best outcome is for the UK before declaring article 50. The UK is in a good position to secure a favourable deal with the EU. We are the biggest importer within the EU and in fact import more from the EU than the USA. It is in the EU’s interest to work with us rather than against us.
The Government needs to ensure that our fishing industry regains rights of fishing areas that it has lost previously under the EU Common Fisheries Policy. EU laws that have had the effect of closing down fishing businesses and communities need to be reviewed.
It is important to remember that, although we have voted to leave the EU, we are still friends with our European neighbours and will continue to maintain a close relationship with them and support them in whatever way we can.
We should now open up to the rest of the world.
Our Government should secure and enhance friendships and relationships with other countries. They need to look at trading partnerships and free trade agreements (FTAs) with all countries we wish to trade with. Australia has already announced it wishes to look at trade deals with the UK. China and India are set to be the future trading powers so we need to start discussions with them. We could possibly forge a link with NAFTA (North American free trade bloc). We should look at our relationship with the Commonwealth and foster trade and agreements with our Commonwealth partners. The EU is the only trading bloc in the world that requires such stringent conditions on its members and this has stifled competition and productivity over a number of years rather than promoting it. We are the sixth largest economy in the world and so other countries will want to do business with us.
Our Government should ease its focus on achieving a balanced budget by 2020. Reducing our debt is still important but should now be done over a longer period and the Government should spend more money on capital projects to help counteract the slowing of growth. It should also look at reducing the tax burden further.
Our police and legal system should stamp down and eradicate racism and racist attacks on our fellow migrants as this is not acceptable. The UK is still a society that welcomes people of all ethnicities, cultures, religions and countries. Racism was not what Brexit was about.
The Government needs to ensure that all project funding commitments by the EU shall be stuck to until we have left the EU. Also, it should ensure that UK organisations and individuals are not discriminated by the EU leading up to our exit.
Once we leave the EU, the Government should commit to funding existing projects previously funded by the EU for at least another three years until it has a department or system in place to make decisions about continuing or ending project funding.
The amount that the UK paid towards the EU budget should be used for capital investment projects within the UK and also for improving and supporting the NHS. The capital projects to improve our infrastructure such as roads will help boost aggregate demand in the UK and help counteract any negative effects on GDP of leaving the EU. The Government should spend money to improve areas of our country that have been neglected or just need fixing.
UK exports will be cheaper due to the reduced value of Sterling. This is an opportunity to promote and increase what we sell to the rest of the world. We must take advantage of this.
UK imports will be more expensive due to the reduced value of Sterling and possible import tariffs. The Government could provide tax breaks to ease the burden on companies that import.
We should focus on buying British goods and supporting our businesses.
We have many of the greatest universities in the world and the Government should invest more via research grants to help boost our universities success even more.
The City of London has great financial institutions and London is one of the world’s top financial centres. It is renowned for its flexibility, resourcefulness, connections, highly skilled workforce, experience. The City with the support of the Government should ensure that it does everything so that it remains one of, if not the most attractive centre for finance in the world.
Finally, we, the UK need to stop underestimating what our country can achieve. Our history has shown what we can do. We still do and will continue to do. We were the pioneers of the industrial revolution. We invented the train, the telephone, the computer, the internet for example. We discovered penicillin, DNA, the laws of gravity. We have Shakepeare, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Charles Darwin, Stephen Hawking, The Beatles, Florence Nightingale, just to name a few! Football, rugby, cricket all came from our country. Our reach and influence is global. We are not a great empire anymore and we have no desire to be but our systems of politics, law, finance are duplicated around the world. So let’s not underestimate ourselves. I have great confidence in our younger generation to continue what previous generations have done. They are bright, intelligent, skilled, energetic, creative. They and older generations have the ability to make a success of our exit from the EU. We all just need to believe in ourselves and remain calm and confident.
We have been in the EU for 43 years, not really a long time in the scheme of things.
So let’s not be afraid and let us take this challenge on and show what we can do!

OP posts:
53rdAndBird · 30/08/2016 23:55

Jonso, do you seriously think Theresa May and her cabinet are going to deliver a left-wing version of Brexit? Seriously?

winkywinkola · 30/08/2016 23:57

Jonso, left wing, right wing. It's of no matter to me what political leaning. I have searched and I still find nothing that makes sense.

Can you help at all?

Jonso · 30/08/2016 23:59

Yep, the only people that could possibly disagree with you are right wing nationalists two fingers

No debate? As winky says, no questions, no conversation?????

twofingerstoGideon · 31/08/2016 00:06

WTF? Who mentioned right wing nationalists? You on the sauce?

winkywinkola · 31/08/2016 00:06

Jonso, we are asking so many questions.

None of which are being addressed.

winkywinkola · 31/08/2016 00:07

And people from across the political spectrum voted Leave and Remain.

Which is why it's a crucial time because we are all so very divided away from the traditional lines.

Jonso · 31/08/2016 00:20

'Brutal form of patriotism' always equals right wing nationalist to me but I could be wrong.

I wish I were on the sauce but I am back to work in a couple of day s and have knocked it on the head (sob) We should be having this debate in a pub really.

Jonso · 31/08/2016 00:21

Who is Gideon btw

Peregrina · 31/08/2016 07:39

Who is Gideon btw

Anyone who follows politics would know that. A quick google will tell you who it is. BTW it's not a nickname - it's the person's real name.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 31/08/2016 07:42

George Osborne, Jonsoas Peregrina can't be arsed to tell you.

Peregrina · 31/08/2016 07:54

I couldn't be arsed - no, because Jonas has been saying 'google it', so I thought he/she might as well do so. Practice what you preach, and all that.

Mistigri · 31/08/2016 10:56

Excellent article here that is very pertinent to this thread (or at least to the OP - I haven't actually RTFT which no doubt is a rehash of a hundred other such threads)

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2016/08/31/a-country-s-critics-are-its-best-friends

Helmetbymidnight · 31/08/2016 11:15

This thread is, frustratingly, the same as many others.

Op: 'I've got a brilliant positive brexit plan. Brexit is so great...blah blah, we will have low taxes, loads of subsidies, the City will stay the same etc etc"

Others: "eh? How are you going to do this? What do you mean exactly? What about other issues?"

Brexiters: "how very dare you ask for actual plans? Why can't you just be happy?
Anyway, Britain is great - look at Florence nightingale. Ok, well, I mean, our leaders will sort everything out for us"

twofingerstoGideon · 31/08/2016 11:23

Mistigri - good article and I've learned a fabulous news word (bloviate). Did you see the link I posted earlier about the Brexit censorship campaign? here

Petronius16 · 31/08/2016 11:26

First post. I don't accept OP's premise about negativity, and whatever we think it's politicians who make the decisions. To me looking backwards is negative in itself. Britain was great when we ignored peoples' boundaries, changed their religion, dress(there's an irony), destroyed their centuries old cultures, took their raw materials at a low price and ensured they couldn't buy goods anywhere else but us. Or we shot them. Opening Olympic ceremony didn't show the success of the Industrial Revolution was achieved on the broken backs of hard working families and the NHS as it is now, privatised.

Currently UK fish quotas are distributed by UK government, many of the initial licences were sold by British owners to foreign fleets but when we leave the EU there won't be any to distribute, that'll save a few bob.

In the referendum one side stupidly exaggerated their argument and the other told blatant lies – the lies won and now are at the top of government – in well paid, pensionable jobs. They're certainly being positive.

In my view knowing our weaknesses gives us strength. The politicians have to succeed, with £350million a week going to the NHS and the entrepreneurialism of people like Mike Ashley and Phillip Green we're bound to do well. That's positive.

Petronius16 · 31/08/2016 11:28

Oops. Blush Sorry, how did I achieve a purple background?

53rdAndBird · 31/08/2016 11:31

The purple background just shows up for you - it's highlighting your own posts.

TheElementsSong · 31/08/2016 11:36

Gideon that's an interesting article and the strategies described are strikingly familiar - perhaps the writer has been lurking on MN? Grin

Petronius16 · 31/08/2016 11:41

Thanks 53rdAndBird, simples, eh?

habenero20 · 31/08/2016 11:49

What can the Uk export to China, India and Australia? Manufacturing in China and India is far cheaper then the UK.

when india was a colony, the UK used to export clothes to india, despite indian labour being cheaper. It did this because despite labour costs being lower in india, the UK could still make clothes cheaper through innovation. This is how the US still exports computing services to india.

But labour being cheaper in india is only one side of the problem. We could make labour cheaper here and still make such wages viable if we all didn't think the best way to prosperity is by ever inflating the price of housing.

PattyPenguin · 31/08/2016 12:06

"when india was a colony, the UK used to export clothes to india, despite indian labour being cheaper. It did this because despite labour costs being lower in india, the UK could still make clothes cheaper through innovation."

India was indeed a colony of Britain. In fact, it was part of the British Empire. So Britain could govern what it could and couldn't do. That's rather the point of imperial power. It was not normal trade between two free countries.

As to computing exports, the US has a trade deficit in computer and data processing services with India, which nearly doubled from 2008 to 2012.

Good point about housing being too expensive. However, even with free housing, UK production-line workers couldn't afford all the other things they expect (utilities, food, stuff like that) on the sterling equivalent of Indian or Far Eastern wages. And of course they would be way below the tax and NI thresholds, so bang go the tax receipts that pay for free school and further education, free health care, and infrastructure.

Mistigri · 31/08/2016 12:25

What can the Uk export to China, India and Australia? Manufacturing in China and India is far cheaper then the UK.

There are many things that UK companies - including my employer - can, and do, export to countries like China and India. Most of these involve very advanced, proprietary technologies and/ or are difficult to manufacture with high costs of entry.

That's the good news. The bad news is that the hysteria over immigration is making it harder for UK companies to do this. My employer has already decided (some time ago - before Brexit) that new R&D centres will be built in Asia, because of the ridiculous red tape involved in bringing qualified foreign scientists to the UK. The current government focus on reducing student immigration will make this situation worse, as will any barriers to free movement in the EU.

allegretto · 31/08/2016 13:46

I don't think you realise OP that things have moved on in scientific research since Isaac Newton. British academics and scientists are already missing out on research projects due to uncertainty over Brexit and we haven't even left yet! The government is in no position to do anything about it.

Kaija · 31/08/2016 13:54

Thanks for posting that article, mistigri. It needs saying.

smallfox2002 · 31/08/2016 14:37

What plan? There isn't a plan here just the same old platitudes trotted out.

And it's a democracy, we can say and do what we like, question what we like.

Like do you have any evidence for your wonderful trade deals or that the EU will just allow us to keep passporting rights?

Unicorns for all!