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to agree with the positive Brexit plan below?!

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MenMust · 29/08/2016 20:27

Having watched a documentary recently about the making of the London Olympics 2012 Opening Ceremony, I was reminded of the sheer skill, innovation and creativity possessed by this nation. This left no doubt in my mind that the UK is completely capable of making a huge success outside the EU.
The first thing the people of the UK need to do is to focus on positive outcomes and opportunities created by the historic decision to leave the EU. Everyone, including those who voted to remain, need to put aside all negativity and differences and anger. Whether you voted to exit or not, it is now going to happen and so all thoughts of doom and disaster are wasted energy and need to be put aside. Pessimism is a self-fulfilling prophesy and if you concentrate on what you think are the negative consequences of Brexit, you will drag the UK down.
Of course there is a risk to exiting the EU. However, there was always a risk to staying in the EU as it is a changing entity. A vote to remain was not a vote for the status quo. The UK will face challenges as it has always done and there will be those who lose out because of Brexit but there will also be those who gain. The EU however also faces an uncertain future. The Euro is in trouble and requires fiscal and budgetary union for any chance of survival. The EU’s economic performance has been poor and its share of world GDP is set to fall. It has failed to keep up with 21st Century globalisation and emerging markets. Further integration is not popular. The EU needs to change radically if it is to survive.
Now the UK has a new PM, Theresa May in place as well as a new Cabinet, the Government needs to appoint the best advisors and negotiators in the land who can help secure the UK the best deal with the EU. The Government should take its time to work out what the best outcome is for the UK before declaring article 50. The UK is in a good position to secure a favourable deal with the EU. We are the biggest importer within the EU and in fact import more from the EU than the USA. It is in the EU’s interest to work with us rather than against us.
The Government needs to ensure that our fishing industry regains rights of fishing areas that it has lost previously under the EU Common Fisheries Policy. EU laws that have had the effect of closing down fishing businesses and communities need to be reviewed.
It is important to remember that, although we have voted to leave the EU, we are still friends with our European neighbours and will continue to maintain a close relationship with them and support them in whatever way we can.
We should now open up to the rest of the world.
Our Government should secure and enhance friendships and relationships with other countries. They need to look at trading partnerships and free trade agreements (FTAs) with all countries we wish to trade with. Australia has already announced it wishes to look at trade deals with the UK. China and India are set to be the future trading powers so we need to start discussions with them. We could possibly forge a link with NAFTA (North American free trade bloc). We should look at our relationship with the Commonwealth and foster trade and agreements with our Commonwealth partners. The EU is the only trading bloc in the world that requires such stringent conditions on its members and this has stifled competition and productivity over a number of years rather than promoting it. We are the sixth largest economy in the world and so other countries will want to do business with us.
Our Government should ease its focus on achieving a balanced budget by 2020. Reducing our debt is still important but should now be done over a longer period and the Government should spend more money on capital projects to help counteract the slowing of growth. It should also look at reducing the tax burden further.
Our police and legal system should stamp down and eradicate racism and racist attacks on our fellow migrants as this is not acceptable. The UK is still a society that welcomes people of all ethnicities, cultures, religions and countries. Racism was not what Brexit was about.
The Government needs to ensure that all project funding commitments by the EU shall be stuck to until we have left the EU. Also, it should ensure that UK organisations and individuals are not discriminated by the EU leading up to our exit.
Once we leave the EU, the Government should commit to funding existing projects previously funded by the EU for at least another three years until it has a department or system in place to make decisions about continuing or ending project funding.
The amount that the UK paid towards the EU budget should be used for capital investment projects within the UK and also for improving and supporting the NHS. The capital projects to improve our infrastructure such as roads will help boost aggregate demand in the UK and help counteract any negative effects on GDP of leaving the EU. The Government should spend money to improve areas of our country that have been neglected or just need fixing.
UK exports will be cheaper due to the reduced value of Sterling. This is an opportunity to promote and increase what we sell to the rest of the world. We must take advantage of this.
UK imports will be more expensive due to the reduced value of Sterling and possible import tariffs. The Government could provide tax breaks to ease the burden on companies that import.
We should focus on buying British goods and supporting our businesses.
We have many of the greatest universities in the world and the Government should invest more via research grants to help boost our universities success even more.
The City of London has great financial institutions and London is one of the world’s top financial centres. It is renowned for its flexibility, resourcefulness, connections, highly skilled workforce, experience. The City with the support of the Government should ensure that it does everything so that it remains one of, if not the most attractive centre for finance in the world.
Finally, we, the UK need to stop underestimating what our country can achieve. Our history has shown what we can do. We still do and will continue to do. We were the pioneers of the industrial revolution. We invented the train, the telephone, the computer, the internet for example. We discovered penicillin, DNA, the laws of gravity. We have Shakepeare, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Charles Darwin, Stephen Hawking, The Beatles, Florence Nightingale, just to name a few! Football, rugby, cricket all came from our country. Our reach and influence is global. We are not a great empire anymore and we have no desire to be but our systems of politics, law, finance are duplicated around the world. So let’s not underestimate ourselves. I have great confidence in our younger generation to continue what previous generations have done. They are bright, intelligent, skilled, energetic, creative. They and older generations have the ability to make a success of our exit from the EU. We all just need to believe in ourselves and remain calm and confident.
We have been in the EU for 43 years, not really a long time in the scheme of things.
So let’s not be afraid and let us take this challenge on and show what we can do!

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LoveInTokyo · 30/08/2016 21:18

I wouldn't even count on his support, tbh. Trump only cares about Trump.

PattyPenguin · 30/08/2016 21:19

So we need yet more deregulation.

What, of the sort that brought us Northern Rock and RBS?

Or zero hours contracts and fake self-employment?

We already have too few trading standards officers to apply the regulations we do have on the safety of consumer goods and food and stuff. May as well get rid of the regulations altogether. After all, if people get electrocuted or die of food poisoning, they just won't go back to those retail outlets, will they?

And while we're at it, let's get rid of health and safety at work rules. So people get killed and maimed, that's more jobs to go round, right?

LoveInTokyo · 30/08/2016 21:21

Oh yes, that ridiculous "Brexit the Movie" featured none other than the man who was in charge of Northern Rock when it had to be bailed out, arguing for greater deregulation. Angry

Figmentofmyimagination · 30/08/2016 21:41

I hope you are not getting paid to write this stuff. To introduce a bit of historical perspective, we were not 'ok outside the EU for many hundreds of years', unless by 'many hundreds' you mean 'roughly two hundred, give or take, (and even then, always depending whose interests you believe were 'ok!')'.

One of the many problems with brexiters is that they have a very weak grasp of history and no real grasp of the notion that a country will not always be prosperous - or even just 'ok'. Countries can go up and down - and maybe, from a historical perspective, we're just peering over the top of one of the slides.

Up until about 1650, Britain was an inward looking economic weakling, with very little to trade with the rest of the world - even though free trade had been going on without us for at least 800 years.

The only reason we didn't tend to get invaded was because nobody could be bothered, because relative to the rest of Northern and Southern Europe, china, large parts of Africa and India, Persia and Latin America, we were backward heathens, with nothing to offer. So don't get carried away with your nostalgic 'great Britain' mullarky, because you are on very shaky, daily mail-tastic ground.

whatwouldrondo · 30/08/2016 22:08

menmust Before the EU China was struggling from famine and disaster and hadn't even started on the further destruction of the cultural revolution. India was still on the verge of war. Now China is the world's second largest economy and actually have all the competitive advantages you percieved the UK has and in Asia the average income has been rising even as ours has fallen, especially since the financial crisis. China and India are not "set to be future trading powers", they already are, and they see Brexit as an opportunity to consolidate their position and accelerate the pace at which they consolidate their competitive advantage over the west. The rest of the world has been busily consolidating into geopolitical and economic trading blocks with countries who share the same cultural and political values, ASEAN, MERCOSUR, the African Union. Please could you expand on your list of unicorns into a competitive strategy that will deliver prosperity in this 21st century environment? I know a lot about the Chinese market, I would love someone to give me something, anything to underpin all these assumptions that we will be exploiting their markets on anything like the scale we do in Europe rather than be exploited

GloriaGaynor · 30/08/2016 22:09

We were OK outside the EU when we had an Empire. But we (and our Allies) still needed to be bailed out of two world wars by America.

Prior to that we fought off two potential invasions by luck and an good navy - Trafalgar and the Spanish Armada. (That we weren't invaded in WWII was also partly luck and misjudgement on Hitler's part, and the Battle of Britain meant the Germans couldn't get control of the skies).

James 1 realised was that for the UK, small compared to the Empires in Europe and the East, to be relevant in a world stage we had to become the 'great mediator' ie mediating between other more powerful countries. Which has been our thing since then. We've also been historically a great trading nation. Which is now the process of being scuppered.

Postwar, by the 70s we were the 'sick man of Europe' with high unemployment, high inflation needing an IMF bailout in 1976.

I don't know how people have forgotten that.

Jonso · 30/08/2016 22:48

So much wrong with that GG that I don't know where to start.

53rdAndBird · 30/08/2016 23:09

Ah, the positive Brexit plan of "I'm sure it'll all be FINE, now stop being so negative."

Yes, that's certainly put my mind at rest...

GloriaGaynor · 30/08/2016 23:11

Well start...

winkywinkola · 30/08/2016 23:20

Appropriate.

to agree with the positive Brexit plan below?!
BillSykesDog · 30/08/2016 23:20

Well we weren't the sick man of Europe really. Post war, France and Germany's economies moved from being mainly agricultural to industrial. Which gave them a one off injection of massive growth which the UK couldn't replicate as we had already completed this process during the industrial revolution. It gave the illusion of the U.K. being a 'sick man' as our growth was not comparable, but it was an unsustainable one off event and once completed France and Germany plateaued back to the same levels as the UK.

Jonso · 30/08/2016 23:21

Put it away winki, no one's impressed

winkywinkola · 30/08/2016 23:23

Unfortunately it's not about impressing people.

It's about understanding that perhaps there isn't a positive way forward.

Not ONE person had presented us with one.

Can you Jonso?

twofingerstoGideon · 30/08/2016 23:29

Jonso: So much wrong with that GG that I don't know where to start.

Start anywhere Jonso, otherwise there's not much point in commenting.

I'm really getting fed up with these non-answers/non-comments/empty criticisms from people who can't be bothered to write a counter-argument.

Jonso · 30/08/2016 23:32

We voted to leave the EU. Implementing it isthe PM's job- as the people's representitive.
That patronising nonsense is lightweight in everyway.

Jonso · 30/08/2016 23:36

I have been on here far too long tonight, arguing and counter arguing and I am tired. It is historically inaccurate and sloppily argued. I am allowed to comment without writing an essay, I believe.

Namehanger · 30/08/2016 23:38

Still stunned after all these weeks that people have no powers of analysis. I have learnt so many different ways that Brexit will be a disaster...

But the leavers seem not to listen, read and definitely not reflect on their decision. I cannot believe there is one leaver who thought Northern Ireland peace process, Gibraltar, Scottish independence, financial passporting, expensive imported food, scientific research Etc. Thought of all the potential downsides but still thought it will be ok, now where is my unicorn.

Surely any rational person would say voted to leave but now understand there are consequences I hadn't considered.

BillSykesDog · 30/08/2016 23:39

really getting fed up with these non-answers/non-comments/empty criticisms from people who can't be bothered to write a counter-argument.

Yet you ignored my answer...

winkywinkola · 30/08/2016 23:41

Yes but the PM can't address every single Leave voters preference.

Can she? Those who voted Leave had a variety of reasons to do so.

And the EU isn't going to want to really accommodate much.

I hope it works out for the best. I'm British. I love Britain. And I hate that my country's future is subject to lightweight bollocks from those who actually refuse to think of consequences, hark back to mythical times and insist others find solutions to the mess they create.

winkywinkola · 30/08/2016 23:41

Jonso, you've presented nothing of value.

Jonso · 30/08/2016 23:43

Ditto

Kaija · 30/08/2016 23:45

Best plan for Brexit at this point would be to change the passports back to blue, go back to pounds and ounces, and otherwise carry on as we were. Everyone wins.

Jonso · 30/08/2016 23:46

winky, look up the left wing argument for leaving Brexit, they are some fantastic blogs and articles that may help you feel a bit better.

twofingerstoGideon · 30/08/2016 23:53

There's an interesting article here about the ways people attempt to stifle continuing debate/questions about Brexit. This particular extract really resonated in terms of the OP:
Some Brexiters are turning to a brutal form of patriotism in order to shut up their critics. Anyone highlighting the disadvantages Britain faces in negotiating multiple trade agreements with the rest of the world in an impossible time frame is smeared as 'talking Britain down'. Because of the role of consumer confidence on economic performance, it's even suggested that some Remainers are actively trying to talk Britain into a recession, like some sort of Batman villain with low career ambitions. They are traitors to their country and even saboteurs.

Yep, looking at you OP (and a few others on this thread...)
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