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Good News for Leavers

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RortyCrankle · 28/08/2016 15:00

To balance up this forum somewhat I thought it would be nice to have a thread with something more positive for us Leavers.

I think the attached is excellent news and well done Theresa May. www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-may-idUSKCN1120AK

It's pretty obvious to most Leavers that creating a new Government Department and putting the right people in place will take time and hopefully in 2017 we will see some move towards our aim.

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Peregrina · 30/08/2016 13:52

DH was a reluctant Remainer. His argument against the EU is that a number of constituent countries, e.g. Austria and Hungary are becoming increasingly right wing. In the same way that the more moderates couldn't control Hitler and Nazism, he feels that other EU countries would lack the ability to rein in the right wingers.

That, I thought, was a valid argument, but it still begged the question - what do you want to put in its place? In his case some sort of EEA agreement would be OK.

LoveInTokyo · 30/08/2016 15:03

I still can't believe that leavers like surfer think that by voting just as Rupert Murdoch and a bunch of former public schoolboys told them to, they voted against "the establishment".

Tryingtosaveup · 30/08/2016 15:15

LoveIn...I voted out because I wanted to leave the EU and stop all the immigration from the EU.
I voted this way because I wanted to, not because a newspaper or a politician told me to.
And I didn't fall for all George Osborne's lies either. I take it you did.
Like someone said up thread. If you want to stay in thevEU, no proble, move

LoveInTokyo · 30/08/2016 15:20

I voted out because I wanted to leave the EU and stop all the immigration from the EU.

Well I look forward to your crushing disappointment then. FFS, who are these people who were actually naive enough to think Brexit would stop immigration?

smallfox2002 · 30/08/2016 15:29

There might be, in terms of hard brexit, a reduction of immigration from the EU, but with all those already here given right to remain. The fact is that there will still be immigration from the EU even if we hard brexit.

How do you feel about the non EU immigration, which is larger than the EU?

Can you tell us why you voted to stop immigration from the EU?

surferjet · 30/08/2016 15:41

And you then list magna carta? Which was about the rights of Barons and noblemen, not the ordinary person?

Oh dear. what is your PhD in? because it certainly isn't history.

LoveInTokyo · 30/08/2016 15:45

smallfox, realistically the only thing that is going to reduce immigration to any noticeable extent is a recession of such epic proportions that no one wants to move here any more because there are no longer any opportunities. Why anyone would think that was a good thing is beyond me.

Vote to turn your country into a complete sh*thole so no one will want to live here and then immigration will go down. Inspired.

smallfox2002 · 30/08/2016 15:49

I'm pretty much on the money Surfer, seeing as feudal law was in place at the time and most of the ordinary working people were serfs and tied to the land with no rights at all.

Peregrina · 30/08/2016 16:03

and stop all the immigration from the EU.

I am curious here - is it all EU immigration, so you object to French, Dutch and Belgian people, or is it just Eastern European immigration? I ask because I can't ever remember EU immigration being much of an issue prior to the accession of the old Warsaw pact states.

Then how would you feel if all EU immigrants were replaced by ones from sub-Saharan Africa, or East Asia? So instead of Romanian and Latvian fruit picking gangs we had Nigerians or Ghanaians?

surferjet · 30/08/2016 16:07

The Magna Carta is regarded as the foundation of democracy smallfox, one of its most famous clauses is still in use today ( access to a free & fair trail )

Maybe time you re-read your British history.

smallfox2002 · 30/08/2016 16:14

But the free and fair trial didn't apply to serfs.

It is regarded as the start, but maybe you should stop over simplifying.

smallfox2002 · 30/08/2016 16:19

In fact it's protections only applied to nobles

Bearbehind · 30/08/2016 16:25

surfer were you actually being serious with your 'jealousy' comments?

If you weren't you've hit the ultimate low. You've been brain washed.

You can't articulate what you want Brexit to look like but think we're all jealous of you for having chosen such a rebellious path- it's pitiful really.

surferjet · 30/08/2016 16:26

Give up now before you dig an even bigger hole for yourself.

LoveInTokyo · 30/08/2016 16:28

Saw this, thought of you guys.

Good News for Leavers
smallfox2002 · 30/08/2016 16:32

NoPeter. I'm right. Magna cartas protections only applied to nobles. It was later the basis of some laws but not what was won initially which is why your comment about it beingredients for the common man is incorrect.

NotExactly · 30/08/2016 16:34

haha love that mad me lol in the middle of a very tedious job.

"I voted out because I wanted to leave the EU and stop all the immigration from the EU."
Why?

smallfox2002 · 30/08/2016 16:37

Bloody phone.

Magna carta initially only applied to nobles, some of the clauses were later applied to everyone.

Muddle2000 · 30/08/2016 16:40

The Daily Telegraph today states on the front page that the tearing up of the agreement in Calais will actually mean more immigrants chancing it
to get into Britain.
I thought with Brexit we would get less immigration.
Seriously this venture is gonna cost us a fortune with all the civil servants that will be needed and we need this money for our public services.
Also the creation of yet another Govt department for Brexit is another
expense so hello Cuts

NotExactly · 30/08/2016 16:40

Love now you are distracting me with that cartoon.
What is Brexit?

Brexit could be a breakfast cereal called BreK SIt

Marketed at people who have no time for breakfast in the morning (Working mums, teenager etc) who are awfully rushed in the morning, like, "Sit down and have Breakfast then make a quick exit". Get it?

SwedishEdith · 30/08/2016 16:49

Seriously this venture is gonna cost us a fortune with all the civil servants that will be needed and we need this money for our public services

Exactly. And all pulled from Depts that are already stretched.

LoveInTokyo · 30/08/2016 16:54

Haha, yes it does sound exactly like a breakfast cereal, doesn't it? Nice and crunchy.

Figmentofmyimagination · 30/08/2016 16:56

The best resource for finding out about the Magna Carta is the British library - www.bl.uk/magna-carta - they had a fab exhibition on it a few years ago. 800 years I think from memory. I recall that DC ludicrously tried to hijack it in connection with some rubbish he was spouting about human rights having gone too far, blah blah. Anyway, some of the BL resources, web, videos etc, are still available on the library page and they are v good. Smallfox is correct. Villeins (serfs) - most people - didn't have any rights under the MC because they weren't 'free men'. Interesting.

LoveInTokyo · 30/08/2016 16:57

And let's not even mention the women. Angry

twofingerstoGideon · 30/08/2016 17:23

surfer has been back to the thread and still not bothered to respond to this question. Here it is again in case she feels like actually saying something concrete:
Please tell us why you think A50 should not be discussed, debated, scrutinised in parliament and why we should, instead, invoke something without full consideration of the basic terms of Brexit or the likely effects thereof.
Again, I promise not to make any comment on your response - as you've expressed concern that people will 'find fault' with it - but it really is beginning to look as if you have no answer to this very, very basic question.
Can't help noticing that OP, who shared surfer's joy at this wonderful news story, also seems unwilling to respond.