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Good News for Leavers

112 replies

RortyCrankle · 28/08/2016 15:00

To balance up this forum somewhat I thought it would be nice to have a thread with something more positive for us Leavers.

I think the attached is excellent news and well done Theresa May. www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-may-idUSKCN1120AK

It's pretty obvious to most Leavers that creating a new Government Department and putting the right people in place will take time and hopefully in 2017 we will see some move towards our aim.

OP posts:
surferjet · 29/08/2016 20:37

Oh get over it fgs. It's been 9 weeks now & you're still sulking.

LoveInTokyo · 29/08/2016 20:45

Your lot sulked for 43 years.

smallfox2002 · 29/08/2016 20:45

Its a democracy, we're allowed to continue the debate, especially as nothing has been decided yet.

Funny that you want to shut down debate because you can't justify any of your opinions, or reasons for voting leave.

surferjet · 29/08/2016 21:37

Chatting on mumsnet is not going to change a single thing about Brexit - I think you need to remember that Wink

smallfox2002 · 29/08/2016 21:40

Good thing I'm actively involved outside of mumsnet.

surferjet · 29/08/2016 21:41

Yep. Me too.

Peregrina · 29/08/2016 21:43

My thinking was the same smallfox. There has been a lot of information on the threads, which is useful grist to the mill when considering writing to your MP, or putting across a point in a newspaper. This applies to both sides of the argument.

NotExactly · 29/08/2016 21:53

People still talk about Brexit as if it were a 'thing'. I am continuously puzzled and bewildered by this.

smallfox2002 · 29/08/2016 21:54

Ha, well its good news that you are, glad to know the opposition is so weak.

surferjet · 29/08/2016 22:05

Good night smallfox. Smile

smallfox2002 · 29/08/2016 22:07

But tis true, you have be asked to provide justification and reasons for your opinions and views, you just can't.

The leave campaign swayed opinion lying outrageously, and with the backing of 20 odd years campaigning by 5 of the biggest news outlets in the country.

Even then you don't want the non legally binding vote to be debated in parliament because you know it won't stand up to scrutiny.

Weak, and scared.

Peregrina · 29/08/2016 22:34

Maybe write to your MP to ask what exactly 'Brexit means Brexit', actually does mean, other than a mindless mantra? I have put this question to my MP.

smallfox2002 · 29/08/2016 22:41

I've asked mine in person, and by letter.

LoveInTokyo · 29/08/2016 23:06

Good luck with that! I would be interested to hear what they say.

I have a friend who works (as a lawyer) in the new Brexit department, and she says "Brexit means Brexit" is all they have been told so far.

twofingerstoGideon · 29/08/2016 23:31

I see surfer has been back on the thread but ignored my very simple question: why would anyone NOT want proper parliamentary scrutiny/debate.
This should be of even MORE interest to leave voters than remainers surely? After all, it's their circus and their monkeys.

smallfox2002 · 29/08/2016 23:36

Surfer is funny isn't she.

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smallfox2002 · 30/08/2016 00:26

"the economic worries and predictions, the difficulty of trade deals"

Well, where to start on this, the trade deals haven't begun, the pound has tanked, investments that were due to take place has stalled, even the much reported consumption increase is below what was predicted prior to brexit! There are all sorts of economic effects that have been held off because article 50 was enacted immidately so saying: " Ah it hasn't happened" when the economy is doing fine because nothing has changed except we've had a shed load of money pumped into the banks and interests rates lowered is naive.

Parliament need to debate brexit, whether it is actually going to go ahead or not because the act that brought about the referendum states clearly that it is not legally binding, but advisory. Cameron said he would follow it in a manifesto pledge, but manifesto pledges as we know don't mean its legally binding.

"Is the suggestion now that Parliament can or should simply vote to say it was a bad idea to hold the referendum because the answer isn't one that many of them agree with and, as such, it will be disregarded?"

I doubt that would occur, but the parameters in which Brexit can be sought could be defined and the terms which the UK would seek to exit the EU could be further cleared up. In fact I think it would be a massive undermining of democracy to allow article 50 to be declared without parliamentary debate.

Its incredibly hypocritical to wage part of a campaign on democracy and sovereignty and then decide that the sovereign power holding institution in this country doesn't get a say.

I do think there may be a situation in which if we don't start art50 in Jan that it may be kicked into the long grass further to wait for the outcome of the French and German elections too.

The noises coming from Whitehall suggest that those entrusted with these negotiations knew so little about the impact, and legal side that its going to take them months to get up to speed.

Peregrina · 30/08/2016 01:16

Cameron for his part declared before hand that if he lost he would a) invoke art. 50 immediately and b) stay to see it through. He did neither of those things; he came out to the steps of 10 Downing Street almost blubbing. As well he might, being the most stupid PM we have had in 60 years.

May is, I would hope, wise enough to realise that promises made under the auspices of Cameron's leadership were not worth the paper they were written on. She would be wise for her own sake to be seen to do things as legitimately as possible.

As it stands, she now has to put up with the wrath of up to 16 million people. Farage had made it clear that if the vote had gone against him by 52 to 48 % that would not have been the end of it. Well, by the same token, what was sauce for him, is sauce for the 16 million. And of course, he's stepped out of the fray to toady up to an American presidential candidate.

surferjet · 30/08/2016 10:49

I see surfer has been back on the thread but ignored my very simple question: why would anyone NOT want proper parliamentary scrutiny/debate
This should be of even MORE interest to leave voters than remainers surely? After all, it's their circus and their monkeys

I don't know how familiar you are with this board, but leavers have tried having a conversation with remainers about all things Brexit, - there's no point. All remainers want to do is find fault with everything we say, as smallfox admitted, we're just sport to her.
So why should we bother wasting our time?
I could post something rivalling the Magna Carta & you'd take the piss.

I think I know what the root cause of your anger is though - jealousy.
You're jealous because you voted for the safe option, you sided with the establishment ( aren't lefties supposed to be anti-establishment? ) you let the side down & now your lashing out in frustration.
Thankfully, there's people like me still left in this country- people with a bit of revolution in our blood.

smallfox2002 · 30/08/2016 10:54

You think you voted against the establishment?

And you then list magna carta? Which was about the rights of Barons and noblemen, not the ordinary person?

You are funny surfer.

twofingerstoGideon · 30/08/2016 11:35

Again, no 'argument' from surfer just the usual barrel-scraping 'it's not worth me saying anything'.

Honestly, surfer do tell us why you think A50 should not be discussed, debated, scrutinised in parliament and why we should, instead, invoke something without full consideration of the basic terms of Brexit or the likely effects thereof. I absolutely promise not to comment on your response if you make one, so please do go ahead.

The jealousy comment is hilarious though.

prettybird · 30/08/2016 12:27

I'm still waiting to read the good news for Leavers" Confused

unless you count the tanking of the pound because it means that our exports will be cheaper even though we import more than we export so it will ultimately be inflationary Hmm

NotExactly · 30/08/2016 13:23

"Thankfully, there's people like me still left in this country- people with a bit of revolution in our blood."

That is one of the funniest things I have read here in a long time. I love the Interweb but ignorance & stupidity are painfully amplified at times. Also love the accusation of jealousy comment, very Jeremy Kyle.

Totally agree with twofingerstoGideon in terms of article 50.

Figmentofmyimagination · 30/08/2016 13:47

"Thankfully, there's people like me still left in this country- people with a bit of revolution in our blood."

This is funny, but revolutions - especially those in which the Crowd is harnessed to support the aims of a small minority of intellectuals - don't tend to end very well.

In a parliamentary democracy, there must be a parliamentary debate. That much is obvious.

Those who want to leave the EU should welcome this, because I suspect that there are plenty of MPs who will vote to preserve their seat, irrespective of what they believe, and a pro-exit vote in the House of Commons (although on what terms - who knows....) will lend the result a validity it currently lacks. You'll never get a positive mandate from the Lords, however - one of the genuine silver linings of an unelected chamber is that they can reach conclusions based on principled objection, rather than self interest, as we saw recently, for example, in the context of the Trade Union Act. OMG how undemocratic of me.