LEAVERS - update on the 'invoke A50 now' petition. I have the reply.

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You've not even bothered to read what I just linked have you?

As stated above, Johnson, Gove et al we all strongly in favour of the TTIP deal as it was originally proposed. Cameron even said he would have signed it as soon as it was presented. The reason it hasn't been signed is due to pressure from the other EU countries, particularly France who have all but killed it off. We will now get a much worse agreement, so thanks for that Surfer.

No not yet. I'll read it now.

All trade talks are held in secret. It means that no individual firm can benefit from knowing exactly what the terms are and gain an unfair advantage.

It's mainly to do with laws on insider dealing.

Red. < from your article >

But Mr Hilary sounded a positive note, saying the UK government was democratically accountable to the people where the European Commission was not

For us, the situation is now a different one. The powers are going to be brought back to Britain,” he said

The future is ours to claim. It’s an uphill struggle because we know that in this country traditionally we have had the most neoliberal governments in Europe, whether they be Tory or New Labour

He said the future was unclear as the UK would now have to negotiate a new relationship with the EU

But he insisted: “Brexit means TTIP will not apply to the UK, that’s absolutely clear

I'll go with that.

So you took that rather than the ttip on steroids point?

The fears about ttip are all based on isds rules, which the commission negotiators have said will not include public services or nationally owned utilities.

You just read that and looked for the one point that confirmed your bias.

I've lurked on these threads for months. And sadly it doesn't seem that they've moved on from frantic teeth gnashing and rage.
But to pick up on the Northern Ireland issue and the point earlier that Leave voters should have thought long and hard about this issue before they hit the polling booth. What about the 44% of voters in Northern Ireland that voted to leave the EU? Do they not count? Or do we ignore them and send them to the naughty corner with all the other deluded and xenophobic bigots?

Well as we're making temperature decision for the 56% who voted remain they're getting what they wanted.

If that's your stance, do we ignore the 49% who voted to remain in the uk overall?

Hi LynnsSnazzyCardigan - yes, it does get very passionate on here, but you're right, we have to remember that not everyone in NI, or indeed Scotland or London, voted remain, plenty of us voted to leave ( I live in London & voted leave )
44% is very high isn't it - I'm confident TM will deliver a Brexit that is good for the entire country.

i'm confident TM will deliver a Brexit that is good for the entire country

I am close to giving up on this thread but I'll try again.

What has happened either before or since the referendum to make you think this?

I'm confident TM will deliver a Brexit that is good for the entire country.

I am most certainly not confident in this. With some competing demands being totally opposed the best she will be able to achieve is a compromise which upsets the fewest.

Woah smallfox. I'm asking about Bearbehind's post that suggested Cocory should have thought about NI before voting leave. And as a result I was asking, a knock on effect if you like, then considering the 44% of people in NI that voted leave, despite the worry of a possible resurgence of trouble.
Why on earth would I consider ignoring the 49% remain voters, given that I've raised the issue of the 44% Leave voters in NI? Why would I discriminate between the two?

Well she's not going to deliver something that pisses off the entire country is she? It's her job to make sure Brexit runs as smoothly as possible, and from what I've seen of her I'm sure she'll be successful.

^^ hollow laugh

Watch this space

If your predication is based on nothing more than blind faith then God help us

I think you might find TM will deliver a deal far more pleasing to retainers than leavers.

Lynn, I'm having trouble understanding your point about the 44% of NI voters that voted leave. In what sense should they be "not ignored"?

I agree the eventual Brexit will suit remainers more than Leavers, the might of the interested parties on the remain side and the lack of direction for leave will see to that, but it will always be a very bitter pill to swallow that we have to go through this farce, at enormous expense, to come out in a very similar position.

surferjet With regards to your last remark, may I jst refer you back to easier comments re. 'Political will versus political capability'?

Kaija. Bearbehind's post insinuated (in my humble opinion) that anyone voting Leave was foolhardy for not considering the implications a Leave vote would have on the GF agreement. Therefore I was questioning the 44% vote of people that live in NI and why their views and choice to leave the EU wouldn't be held up to as much scrutiny as someone in England chosing to vote Leave.

I actually think we will get some immigration control, for example jobs have to be confirmed before arrival, but the caveat will be agency work will be allowed.

So people will arrive with one weeks work confirmed and hey presto

lynne, I 'insinuated' that anyone who voted leave without considering the repercussions was foolhardy.

If someone considered those repercussions and thought 'fuck it' that's a different story, albeit still worthy of challenging in order to comprehend why they thought that.

Are you saying that 44% of eligible NI thought "fuck it"?

NI voters