Westminstenders Contines. Boris outmaneovered everyone?! Now War and Peace?

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THE BREXIT FALLOUT CONTINUES - THREAD TEN

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This set of threads started out asking if Boris had been outmanoeuvred by Cameron handing him a poison chalice. Fate made it seem as if Boris lost the battle but May has confounded everyone and handed him a second chance. Or so it might seem.

May now has a new Cabinet after a sweeping cull of Cameron's lot. It is more right wing than in a generation. A number of appointments have raised eyebrows. There are plenty of poison chalices and plenty of Brexiteers. Will this create peace in the Tory ranks? Or is it just the calm before the storm

Labour are tearing themselves apart what now seems to be all out civil war. Talk of gerrymandering, violence, disenfranchisement, deselection and intimidation are rife. The seems to be no end in sight, and no prospect of a solution apparent. The question perhaps seems to be when and how, rather than if the party will split, and who will retain the name and party funds.

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So the sad face of British politics in the last two days can be summed up in a single image. Boris and a brick.

Depressed?

I think we have a while to go yet before we hit the bottom.

Excuse me with the intros as I'm starting to struggle to keep up with things myself

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2684990-The-Westminster-Hunger-Games-Contines-May-Day-May-Day Previous Thread Nine

BigChoc this article made me so angry

i fear it is broadly right. Of course JC doesn't want power. He would have to dirty his hands and maybe even - gasp - compromise.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/07/01/the-campaigners-view/

Richard Murphy, the man credited with the ideas behind 'corbynomics' on why he thinks JC is the wrong person to lead the party.

The country voted on alternatives to fptp - they didn't want it. (I don't want it anymore either- why would I want all those thick thick-rightwingers-represented in parliament?) pr is dead in the water now.

The country voted on alternatives to fptp - they didn't want it.

No, they didn't vote on 'alternatives'. They voted on one alternative, which few people prefer.

Place marking so can read thread later

They/we like ftpt.
There was no appetite for change and there will be less than ever now.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-considers-legal-challenge-8435835#ICID=sharebar_twitter
Jeremy has spoken to the Sunday Mirror

He added: “If this decision is not overturned, it may well take a legal ruling to end the disenfranchisement of our members.”

Because keeping JC in power is the major issue of our times?

Presumably the people who voted him in 9 months ago can still vote him in now. Why does he need the extra members?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/16/owen-smith-angela-eagle-labour-contest-anti-corbyn?CMP=share_btn_tw

Angela and Owen are on Marr now.
I'm watching Lazy Town on C5.

www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-germany-future-analysis-idUSKCN0ZX06O?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social
Eyes on Merkel

www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-davis-idUSKCN0ZX05U?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=578b433504d3011ea1ad147b&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
Davies: post Eu Ref arrivals may not be allowed to stay.

Ah, Lazytown. The Icelandic option. Good to know all bases covered.

I'm watching Owen and Eagle on Marr. It's a lot like listening to my kids squabble. It can be boiled down to "I'm better", "No, I'm better", "No, me"

It would be stretching it to call it informative.

I missed the individual interviews with OS and AE.

Justine Greening did ok, she managed not to promise any new grammar schools, said we need to look at them in the context of how the world is now, not how it used to be. AM went at her quite hard on school funding which she avoided answering in any detail more than once.

"Mr Corbyn brushed aside the leadership contest “as a little local difficulty”.
He told us: “I’m the only one in the office who is relaxed. They’re all running round getting me to do stuff and I have to settle them down.”

... Something about this is disconcerting to me. It feels a bit like "eh - I just don't give a shit", more than "I feel totally secure".

JC on Owen Smith.

“I thought we were working well together. Owen and I have had good discussions.”.

I think in the political world that JC lived in from 1983 to 2015, 'having a good discussion' was all you ever needed to achieve.

Didn't see the AM Show myself but according to dh NS performed well: when asked whether Scotland now had a veto on A50, she just said, "Well, it puts Scotland in a strong position" not technically answering the question and rebuked AE who said Scotland would have to lump it like Liverpool and London and the other areas that voted Remain, pointing out that we are supposed to be equal partners in this Union and that Scotland is in fact a country.

and that Scotland is in fact a country. That is why Labour lost Scottish voters in a nutshell. They forgot this and Scottish voters turned on them

AE keeps saying that what the Labour party needs is a woman. Why?

derxa - sadly I think it is because she doesn't have a lot else. She seems to think that being a woman is enough, all by itself. I had hoped that her leadership bid was based on more than just not being Corbyn, but I have yet to hear anything other than the 'because I'm a northern woman' stuff.

Unfortunately I think the whole leadership challenge has been less of a well plotted coup and more of a post referendum panic attack at the thought of being wiped out at an imminent general election.

The division is not caused by Blairites, but by Jeremy neither caring about nor understanding the panic.

Correction to my earlier post: dh says she said "nation"

I think restricting the right right to stay to pre-eef arrivals is fair.

As long as the rights of peolle who arruved pre-Brexit are protected, I think it's fine not to offer guarantees to those who arrived into uncertainty.

Yes, I am frustrated that the only thing AE seems to offer is being a woman, and not being JC. That's essentially all I've heard from her. Oh, and being Northern.

Owen Smith - I've not heard enough from him, but while his voting record seems fairly good, it seems he's not well liked due to his ego? Whether or not that would effect him being leader is uncertain - there's a difference between "well liked" and "unable to work with."

I think Labour needs to start getting less idealistic and more "let's get the job done" in order to get back in line for now.

I think being a woman and not being JC is enough TBH.

Just the latter is enough.

I don't care whether Owen Smith has an ego or whether he's liked. I'm not looking for a friend - I'm just looking for a leader who is both honourable and competent. Is it really that much to ask?

All this 'I'm not stressed' nonchalance is starting to come across as arrogance.

Would be nice to hear some policies from everyone. Will this happen or will it just be "Vote for me"