To feel really positive about leaving the EU

[kitty1976]

I know there has been lots of fear stories but in a few weeks since the vote we have managed to get a new PM who seems more than capable and we are now in control of our destiny without being ruled by an unelected and unaccountable EU. The EU has for a long time been a basket case and has condemned much of the youth of Southern Europe to decades of unemployment, it's a relief to be out. Do remember we are now free to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world and most countries are not in the EU and seem to do well. There have been so many fear stories which have been peddled by self interest. I wonder in 5 years time how many remainers will be asking to rejoin the EU!!

Glastokitty Thu 14-Jul-16 01:32:38

How odd, I have quite a few relatives in different parts of Australia and they wondered why we have held out for so long in the EU.

On visits back they couldn't believe what a down ward spiral we have gone on.
Op many people feel the same way as you and of course there is a different side to the coin posters are presenting here.

They conveniently ignore the huge stresses and strains the EU put this society under, possibly because they were alight jack.
You could list hundreds of reasons why we are better off out and they will - like slippery eels say " oh but thats policy not law" ( because policy doesn't affect you as much as law does ) or, that was austerity brought by the Tories, when in fact the issues were there before even the credit crunch. Or they will say, that's not the EU that's under funding when they will try and say its a good idea to increase service users when facilities are crumbling round our ears.

Ergo on this topic, you wont win. But thankfully, Leave did win the referendum, and yes - it was a leave win and no, that doesn't mean its a game, its peoples lives.

Good post Sothisissummer! It's a no win for sure, if you say nothing, you get accused of being conspicuous in your silence. But if you do dare to say something, you get abused, belittled and ridiculed.

Disagreement is one thing, however the behaviour I have witnessed on this thread (and also some others) against the OP is next level apalling.

Sadly I have to agree - I posted on a thread yesterday about 'what I have learnt' and one of the things I have learnt was that reading some of these threads it quickly descends into a pack mentality thing and something more akin to Lord of The Flies - this thread highlights it perfectly

I am seeing so much anger over social media and petitions going around

Very few in comparison were at the march last weekend or will attend those in the future

Of course the op shouldn't have been rounded up on and sadly by those who would have called out on such behaviour on other threads

People need to vent but that isn't what is so often happening

SoThisIsSummer

Unfortunately, Glastokitty's comments, also echoed by the other poster on this thread seem representative of the way UK's Brexit vote and political fallout is viewed in Oz (I am also an Australian by the way). It's very sad.

Australian broadsheets have written extensively about this, in humour, disbelief and pity. They continue to do so, and could rarely be accused of putting a positive spin on it.
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From the Sydney Morning Herald this just morning:

Johnson is a surprise choice as foreign secretary since he has a reputation for undiplomatic language. During the Brexit campaign, he compared the EU to one of Adolf Hitler's projects and stoked fears that Turkey was about join the bloc, leading to mass immigration to Britain. His first test may come at a meeting of EU foreign ministers scheduled in Brussels on Monday. Boris Johnson ended his leadership bid for the Conservative Party before it even began. When she launched her own leadership campaign, May made fun of Johnson's negotiations with Germany.

"I seem to remember the last time he did a deal with the Germans, he came back with three nearly new water cannons," she said.

I have had mixed reports from friends and family in other counties.

One coming from German friends is that they felt envious we have had had the chance to vote as they know they won't be offered the chance of a referendum

I feel positive (and so do companies like jaguar landrover) about being able to trade with the other 90% of the world without being shackled to the 10% of world trade that the EU without the UK accounts for.

ftse100 at a pre brexit high and the ftse 250 very near pre brexit levels.

The pound going back up with its best performing week in years, let's hope it stays a bit lower than it was to boost exports and promote indigenous industry.

I am glad we are not going to be dragged down by the coming crash of the Italian banks, the crash of the Greek economy, finding out how southern European countries like Spain are going to finally try and deal with there 50% youth unemployment instead of just farming them of to the UK.

Glad we will not be part of the European superstate with a European army that will try to further distablise the Ukraine leading to war with Russia.

I am glad that the working class in this country will now regain the equilibrium that means that employers will have to consider raising wages and conditions to fill vacancies instead of sending a bus of to eastern European countries causing brain drain at their end also.

Just a few things of the top of my head.

Yeeeooo - brace yourself!!

Haha Time4, yeah sorry to tell you Yeeeoo its about to get messy!

'Who do you think you are coming here, spouting vile research? Clearly you are no more intelligent than a hippos toenail and should immediately defer to the greater unproven intellect of mumsnetters you have never met! Shheeesh? 🙄🙄🙄'

😂😂😂😂

Best of 'British' to you... Or should that be europe? Oh who knows! Good luck!

Yeeeoooo

Why do you think multinational employers wouldn't want to shift work overseas, given this country without Europe is just a random island?!

A random island? 😳

We are not leaving EUROPE! Arrrggghhh!

It would be a random island. I should have said "Union". The U.K. might not be leaving Europe, but it might as well!

To all those who think the money sent to the EU (which carried some intangible benefits) will now be used in the UK...

... if the UK as a whole wasn't willing to share its wealth with Europe, do you think the wealthy people in the UK would really want to share their wealth with those who aren't?

Just think about that for a minute.

We are the 5th largest economy in the world. Our geographical size is irrelevant.

Also glad we are jumping of a sinking "trade" ship that has seen it's share of world trade half from 1980, the EU has been the worst performing economy for decades.

Glad that tourism has seen a spike from the brexit referendum.

Glad that we can now set our own VAT rates, also glad we can give heavy industry a boost by relaxing carbon/green laws that are pretty pointless when as they total a very small fraction of global pollution while China etc don't care.

Glad that our financial sector can now ply for some of the other 90% of world trade.

Glad that our manufacturers can now lower standards to compete in other world markets when and as demand deems it so.

Glad we can now do trade deals without 27 other countries have a veto over anything that affects their self intrest, see for example Romania stalling the EU/China trade deal for years.

Just more of the top of my head.

What have wealthy people got to do with EU money? Please explain the connection I must be missing your point.

Snowbells

The UK is not a random island, it's the 5th largest economy in the world and one of the oldest democracies with a legal system that is trusted to protect companies and the assets the hold, the EU on the other hand is a baby at the minute who has seen it's share of world trade shrink by a half from 1980 and has countries on the edge of bankruptcy and is looking at another recapitalisation of its banks bill of about 10 billion, that's not even getting into the amount of debt from quantitative easing or the massive lack of jobs for its young.

And to further the conversation regarding wealthy people, many of the extremely wealthy big business tycoons who have a vested interest in remain, are Non Dom in the uk and pay little if any tax into our economy and thus the EU. Yet they still pull all the strings in brussels. (or did)

Sorry that's 150 billion to recapitalise their banks, not 10.

Yeeeooo / Ohwhatalovelysummer

Don't have time right now... will respond later, but you have to keep up. We've dropped to No. 6 since Brexit.

'And it IS stupid to be positive about brexit'

No, it isn't, there are clear pros and cons, even economically (long run, which is what really matters, especially to those of us with children).

What is stupid is to be sure you know the consequences of Brexit, one way or the other. It is not a maths problem. There are far too many unknown unknowns.

For example, let's take the far from ridiculous hypothesis that Spain is unable to service its debt. Then the rest of Europe has to bail it out or cut it loose. Imagine that by then we have negotiated a lot of good bilateral trade agreements and that we have successfully diversified our trade away from Europe. This is not unreasonable and Brexiters would be proved to be absolutely right. Would not make remainers stupid though, just caught on the wrong side of history.

Either side might be right, neither perspective is stupid.

No snowbells, we didn't, still 5th.

Does no-one want to reflect on the fact that although we're the 5th/6th leading economy, much of the 'leave' vote has been put down to the fact that whole swathes of our citizens feel they have nothing and used the referendum to 'protest' against this unfairness? I don't think it was the EU that was responsible for the inequality in wealth distribution, but do carry on with your self-congratulation, Summer and Yeeoo.
I do look forward to leaving the EU and seeing the government spending all the extra lolly on deprived areas, while pigs fly over the countryside.

Is UK back to 5th largest economy?