The Westminster Hunger Games Contines. May Day! May Day!

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THE BREXIT FALLOUT CONTINUES - THREAD NINE

The Tories have settled their scores and May is now PM.
Is it May's Day or May Day for the people?

After careful consideration I thought the best way to sum up the Labour Contest was in one simple picture. May Day, might also be appropriate here too.

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Things are moving fast, so hold on tight for the Brexit Ride

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2683852-The-Westministenders-Hunger-Games-continues-Hunting-for-the-Opposition?pg=1 Previous Thread Eight.

I still can't really get my head around the bj appointment.
I don't think he posed any thread to TM- he looked like his political career was (temporarily) over and she has rebooted him.
I can't think she expects him to work well with Hilary - so maybe she expects a trump victory - that old nightmare returns!
I suppose he might be a great scapegoat..but still...
I know the sun love him and want him to be pm one day-but why Theresa why?

Energy questions: with the current publicity, this gives everyone a chance to see how Loathsome messes measures up in ministerial posts.

Re the Brexiters being in charge: One of the many links that posters pointed to,(sorry, can't remember which,) say that since Brexitters are split, EEA/EFTA/WTO, in practice the majority lies with the Remainers. Given that our Finance passporting and Educational/Scientific/Medical Research are both key areas, it's likely that a deal will have to include these.

I suspect that if May makes good on her promises about improving life chances for those worse off, then a lot of the stuff about 'Sovereignity' will dissipate. Especially if she can make it clear that Regulations aren't 'Red Tape' but have good sound reasons behind them. Immigration issues, I suspect, would cool somewhat, if there was more general prosperity. Some die-hard racists sadly will always be with us, but I don't think they are the majority.

She has got a very very difficult job ahead, but if she pulls it off, could be a great success. I'm not counting any chickens yet though.

Doinitfine -

All of us interested in social justice have been disenfranchised. I have supported Labour movements and parties for my whole life. Now even I think the best party to lead us are the Tories.

We came to that realisation a while ago in Scotland. Hence the success of the SNP and why Labour is a spent force here.

The supposed "success" of the Conservatives in the last Holyrood election was only in relation to Labour (and some people tactically switching from Labour to Tory because they hated the SNP so much).

Vista that article is interesting. This line:
They should recognise that the “mainstream media” is mainstream because, well, people watch it and read it, and act accordingly.

In particular. How many times have we asked on these threads where Labour's reaction on something is? It is fine to say papers/radio/tv are the 'old way' but they are still the quickest way to get your point to a lot of people. Yes, you need social media too (although Labour do not seem to be making a success of that either, judging by the lack of engagement on the official accouts) but it is not a good idea to remove yourself from the big media outlets, because then people who are not massively engaged in politics will just miss what you have to say.

Finding myself quite reassured that both Davis and Hammonds want to aim for the Single Market.

Finding myself less reassured by the Brexit strategy blueprint that Davis published a few days ago. He seems to labour under the delusion that the EU will just go ahead and give Britain full access to the Single Market, "because it's in their interest".

He does offer an alternative scenario, in which Britain and the EU would trade under WTO rules and Britain would adopt a protectionist policy towards domestic industry. The possibility of this scenario, he argues, will put the fear of god into the EU and force them to go with the Single Market option. Sure...

No mention of a third way somewhere between the two, even though it's pretty obviously where the negotiations will end up imo.

www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/07/david-davis-trade-deals-tax-cuts-and-taking-time-before-triggering-article-50-a-brexit-economic-strategy-for-britain.html

prettybird naive question here, but why do some Scottish Labour voters hate the SNP so much? I have no knowledge of their policies but Sturgeon always sounds reasonably left-wing, plain-spoken and combative in tv debates, which at this point is way more than I would dream to ask of any Labour leader.

Laura Kuenssberg Verified account @bbclaurak
Tom Watson - legal challenge to NEC result is 'very unhelpful'

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/14/labour-right-shambles-jeremy-corbyn-questions-answer
One time Corbyn fan boy, Owen Jones (that's Jones not Smith) has written a rather more sober and critical piece about Red on Red.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/13/corbyns-uselessness-has-lost-its-charm-but-hes-not-labours-only-problem
What does Labour stand FOR rather than against? A very poignant point about how Labour has lost its way and identity.

Jim Waterson ‏@jimwaterson
Labour leadership latest:
-No final list of candidates
-No clarity on who can vote (hope to find out today)
-Legal challenge on NEC decision

Which really does show how much progress that marathon meeting on Tuesday actually made...

Jo Maugham QC @JolyonMaugham

Don't choke on your quinoa, Corbyn fans, but @OwenSmith_MP is basically even money on Betfair to beat him.

He's not the favourite though. Corbyn still is, with his odds shortening...

Best odds on Corbyn are 5/6, Owen 11/8 and Eagle 14/1

Maomentum ‏@Maomentum
Please that Corbyn has appointed @RichardBurgon to the vacant Shadow Minister for Placards and Stickers role.

Sadly, about right...

John Prescott ‏@johnprescott
^Labour has a 5 point lead over Tories in new Ipsos Mori poll.
Imagine if the PLP & leadership were united though...^

Just HOOOOWWW???!

Jim Waterson ‏@jimwaterson
Not an outlier, just unweighted data. Chart on right shows Tories still in lead when adjusted for likely turnout.

Oh that's how. Apathy.... well more total disillusionment.

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Your fun fact of the day. New chancellor Hammond went to school with Richard Madeley. I wonder how much Madeley will say this on a regular basis now.

Richard Madeley Verified account @richardm56
Yes, was at school with Phil Hammond - a Goth back then.Used to arrive in class in leather trench-coat with The Guardian under his arm.

The Guardian????!

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/14/maybe-the-brits-are-just-having-us-on-the-world-reacts-to-boris-johnson-as-foreign-minister
Boris reaction. Is the UK having a laugh???

www.buzzfeed.com/hayesbrown/lol-foreign-secretary-boris-i-cannot?utm_term=.du4R6Dnx9#.lcD9rbdzy
Boris does racism

Hammond - Rules out emergency budget. He is confident Hinkley Point will go ahead. Not discussed Heathrow. May is 'looking after the Boris problem' - paraphrased about dealing with Amber Rudd and Johnson. Also stressed there is very strong continuity with civil servants (also sounds like they are babysitting Boris!) Need to ensure access to the single market (Good for the finance industry)

Oh and
James Lyons ‎@STJamesl
Phil Hammond on Boris: don't worry he isn't really in charge of MI6

www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jul/13/theresa-mays-speech-what-she-said-and-what-she-meant
Analysis of May's speech. What she said and what she meant.
Good article, worth a read to read between the lines...

Liam Stack @liamstack

UK new Brexit minister doesn't know EU states can't make their own, independent trade deals with non-EU members

See picture. Which is quite a worrying point. Davies is supposed to have had a plan for Brexit for years and be really up to speed with the idea. He posted a plan on conservative home after these tweets which doesn't really mention this. It does bring just how clued up he is into sharp question though.

James Astill ‏@JamesMAstill
If @theresa_may were a great pol, giving Boris, Davis, Fox rope to hang themselves might be genius. Much likelier she's made 3 awful hires

Which lets face it, we are now all crapping our pants about and hoping May is an evil genius...

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www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/14/whats-the-best-brexit-theresa-may-could-get-for-Britain
What's the best deal that Britain can get for Brexit?

I note the comment that there is a growing sense in parts of Europe at least, that the UK was holding back the rest. Perhaps that will eventually work to our favour.

www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/14/housing-sales-forecast-to-fall-sharply-this-summer-after-brexit-vote?CMP=twt_gu
Everyone has stopped buying houses post-Brexit

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-latest-pound-sterling-economy-economist-leave-everything-could-still-be-ok-a7134956.html
Don't worry we still might get our unicorns say some economy people

9.30am: Unite policy conference continues at the Brighton Centre.
12pm: Bank of England may cut interest rates to 0.25% in a bid to bolster the post-Brexit economy.
5pm: NHS Solidarity march in central London s to encourage action to defend the NHS from privatisation.

And its the second day of the Iraq debate (which everyone has forgotten about) There is a chance for a split in Labour on Blair and whether they want to take action against him.

CABINET RESHUFFLE STARTS AGAIN AT 11AM

Chalala - I really don't understand.

I think it's a combination of people who genuinely don't want independence and therefore fear the SNP and its ultimate objective (I can understand that one) but also includes people who hate Nicola (think that she's sleekit, arrogant, power-hungry, two-faced etc) or who think that the SNP is really a right wing party in disguise, or who hate the "One Party" state that Scotland has become (because that's the SNP's fault...) or who believe that the SNP HQ/Leadership is dangerously controlling because you couldn't possibly have all the MPs/MSPs voting the same way all the time.

oh right, the small matter of the independence agenda - got it, thanks.

Hi - on facebook I have been advised I probably shouldn't attend the momentum meeting as it will all be about supporting JC and I might get 'frustrated' oh and the meeting may be heated. I have restated I will attend and expect to be treated as an equal - DH is a worrier and thinks house will get bricked - I don't. Ho hum will tell you all about it tomorrow

Re BJ I think TM is a bloody genius. Very impressed. He is so unsuited to the job and he knows it. He had to take it and now she has him buttoned up shut up and travelling round the world. He can't even talk about the EU as it's out of his remit. Genius. He is a laughing stock already - she's just given him an extra clown costume. If he fucks up he will be sacked and goodbye PM for ever and the only way he can do it well is by...well not being BJ and keeping his mouth literally shut. Kudos TM

ITV's man in Washington says White House unimpressed with Boris appointment:: www.itv.com/news/2016-07-13/reaction-boris-johnson-foreign-secretary-united-states-of-america/

I'm very unsure about that decision.

Have we not had enough fucking up of our international standing to sort out internal Tory problems for one year?

Chris Ship ‏@chrisshipitv 11s12 seconds ago
Michael Gove will not be offered a government job, I understand. He'll be off to the backbenches. With George. And Dave.

he will find a way to fail so big that she can't be expected to keep him on

I'm crossing my fingers for that.

I also lived in Scotland at the same time, Mother. I felt rather unwelcome by the SNP lot as an English/non-UK mix. I knew a lot of young SNP type blokes who spouted about how they could never go out with an English girl (fortunately other Scottish blokes didn't feel the same and there were enough non-Scottish blokes around too). I think at the time this was the tip of the iceberg and it was OK to say this about English people but some of them were thinking it about non-UK people too. But at the time they were in a tiny minority as you say.

I'd grown up in England in the 1970s with a mum with "an accent" and however much the SNP tried to make this different, it's about historic oppression and the right of the Scots to self-determine, it really didn't feel like a different beast (just less rabid) than the English nationalism with the BNP/NF active at the time.

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/philip-hammond-replaces-george-osborne-8-things-the-new-chancellor-has-planned-a7136061.html
Voldermort's economic plan

www.thepoke.co.uk/2016/07/13/cock-up-not-conspiracy-why-eu-referendum-happened-blimey-it-is-rediculous/
How Cameron was like Leadsom... by Times journalist

Hammond has responded to Madeley damaging “career-wrecking” accusation on ITV:

After making these shocking allegations, Richard Madeley did contact me to concede that actually on reflection, it probably was the Financial Times, not The Guardian.

And he said that Goths “hadn’t even been invented in those days”.

James ‏@LabourJames
Labour members on Twitter;
"Don't call me a Blairite, you trot"
"Don't call me a trot, you Blairite'
"Go join the Tories"
"Go join the SWP"

Leadsom in the HoC has just said she needs a holiday....

Thebathroom - and BJ will be joining them very soon - once he has humiliated us and himself

Don't worry about Davis:

• Voters chose Brexit and TM had to accept that decision and be seen to give it the best chance by appointing a Brexit team of true believers
• Leavers would never accept the absence of unicorns unless committed Brexiters go all out looking for them
• Davis probably is hoping for unicorns, but would settle for a good horse eventually. BUT he would be daft to publicise his fallback positions now, before negotiations have started. Or he won't get the best deal.
• Neither TM nor her cabinet - including Brexiters - would go for a deal that wrecks trade & the economy (more than avoidable now) because that would alienate the 90% of the country who aren't extremists.
• If a commited Brexit team eventually decide the EEA is the only exit to avoid ruin, they would be listened to by sufficient Leavers to give a majority in the country

Really, don't worry about Boris either:

• TM transferred the only 2 remaining areas of importance in the Foreign Office - trade & EU - to other ministries
• Every PM makes all the important decisions for the FO and amkes all the important visits & phonecalls to world leaders.
• The unimportant decisions are by FO civil servants.
• The Foreign Secretary gets to choose the pictures on his office wall.
• From a selection offered by his civil servants.

thanks prettybird that's interesting

Red I kind of love the passive-agressive title of that Independent article you posted...

Brexit: Everything could still be OK, says small group of economists who supported Leave

If the point of switching parties is to support a party that might actually be in a positioj to do something other than pointless, puritanical posturing, why would you choose the Greens?

They are just a niche consevative party.

+ The Foreign Secretary gets to choose the pictures on his office wall.
+ From a selection offered by his civil servants.

Sorry but this made me laugh.

That's very reassuring BigChoc, thank you!