I've never met a brex regret

[TaleSpin]

Those reputed regretters...they must hang out in the psyches of rabid Remainers, for I sure ain't met one!

the outcome was leave and thus the first part of the PLAN is to leave the EU

I think a lot of the Leave vote would think going EEA is not leaving at all.

The politicians leading the Leave campaign were purely that; once a path was chosen, the government in power had a mandate from the electorate to move towards leaving the EU. That is what is happening. And surely entrenched Remainers should take solace - if not pleasure - in the fact that after a couple of tumultuous weeks, we are now seeing the formation of a - balanced - team of people to carry this forward? I do think a certain contingent have a death wish. How do you advise your children to respond when another child gets the lead role in the school play? Do you allow them to stamp their feet and sulk and lambast the other child? Do you start a hate campaign against the other parents? Sigh.

Nothing of value to add to the thread except the title reminded me of the Spitting Image song "I've never met a nice south african" ...

I know one person who voted leave and she did so as a protest vote and was a bit shocked that the vote went the way it did. She would never admit that she regrets it though, and I don't think the reaction of remainers have helped here (probably myself included in all honesty - I'm still in the angry stage of grieving).

But a PLAN? There is no plan, and that's one of the things that makes me angry. Why was no-one questioning a plan BEFORE the referendum? It's not like we just stop paying into the EU and give a cheery wave. I am no fan of Cameron but frankly as a remain campaigner I don't think it was his job to have a Brexit strategy and why was anyone surprised he resigned? He should have told us how life could improve with the EU, leave should have told us exactly how they planned to remove us from the EU and what the overall outcome of that would be (although, would it have been credible?).

Despite this, I just want us to crack on with Brexit now - rip off the plaster so to speak and suffer the consequences. Hopefully stability will have returned by the time my children are adults.

How do you advise your children to respond when another child gets the lead role in the school play? Do you allow them to stamp their feet and sulk and lambast the other child? Do you start a hate campaign against the other parents? Sigh.

Jesus wept. I've seen the 'football match' analogy many times now, but now you're comparing something so huge with a school play? These sorts of comments really do make me despair. How lovely that you think it's so trivial.

The cunning plan.

1. Vote to leave the EU
2. All politicians associated with leaving the EU decide not to have anything to do with the talks involved in leaving the EU 3)A politician who was not really a Leave campaigner becomes PM

So what's next on the plan?

This is not a children's play, this is a disentangling of the world's fifth largest economy from the geopolitical legal and economic context that sustained it and there are just seven skilled commercial negotiators to do it in the public sector. There is no plan but people had better get on with putting together one quickly and I for one will not stop lobbying for my children's future to be one sustained to the greatest measure possible by those existing relationships.

The trouble is it is affecting my child now, she is working in science research and the plug is already being pulled on projects planned in collaboration with EU researchers, opportunities are drying up and all her friends consider the outlook bleak in the UK, she is already in touch with US universities. She doesn't want to work there, EU research is governed by stronger codes of ethics and putting the interests of humanity first but she has no choice

What a daft OP. I don't know a single Leave voter - honestly, not one, and nor does my 60+ yo mum and we both live in the North - but it doesn't mean I don't think they exist. Of course some Leavers are having a wobble now - look at Boris Johnson's face the day after the result! It exemplified Bregrexit! Still, I'm delighted to learn that not only does the total disintegration of the Leave campaign not mean that there is no plan, but actually it is a PLAN! That sounds so much more exciting!

I'm fed up with the football and school play analogies too. If we had just decided to go to war with say Russia, would anyone be saying, suck it up, get over it? You can be pretty damn sure that they wouldn't, and that they would be worried sick. This may not be quite so catastrophic but it's something which will affect at least a generation. My DCs too are in scientific research and are thinking they will have to go abroad. They might have done anyway, but it would have been a choice.

Another thing - well, things - I can't fathom are: the referendum wasn't sprung upon us at 24 hours notice...but I didn't hear much knashing of teeth beforehand about margins or voting turnout. So, why now? And when did we become so passive? Scientists - the whole world needs research...pitch a bit further afield for grants. It's so boring now, listening to the Boden/JamieOliver/Mark Warner tribes all with their identikit opinions.

It's so boring now, listening to the Boden/JamieOliver/Mark Warner tribes all with their identikit opinions

Way to dismiss people.

You don't think the opinions, worries and concerns of all the population is going to be reflected in the negotiations.

You can't just ignore the worries and concerns of half the population. Except when you go to war in Iraq.

To be honest Tale, I don't think the remain side thought they could lose.

Pitching further afield for research however means you must all be under the same regulation. Now I know I criticise anecdote but several people I know are involved in medical research at top hospitals, the general thinking from them is that it will take 2 years to negotiate and sort out in our law the same levels that they work under in partnership now. Fine.

The fact is though that if we were to align to the states in the same, it would take longer, and be more beholden to private profit, but with state money spent.

Most leave voters I know did it for entirely racist reasons (not just immigration reasons), some have voiced disappointment that it looks like we won't be kicking immigrants back. Those who voted for non immigration or pro controlled immigration dot appear to regret now, b all have voiced sadness that they've been abandoned by the people who were meant to lead this thing.

Scientists - the whole world needs research...pitch a bit further afield for grants. It's so boring now, listening to the Boden/JamieOliver/Mark Warner tribes all with their identikit opinions

Oh dear. I take it you're not in favour of us all pulling together.

I'd love if everyone could pull together...not sartorially of course

I know a few who openly say 'I fucked up' 'It was a protest vote' 'I never thought it would happen' 'I'd rather not talk about it'.

Most of the people I know who voted leave and haven't said they regret it are furious about Theresa May being made prime minister - I can't help but wonder if they realise that this is happening as a direct result of their vote.

I only know one person who voted leave and still seems happy with their decision.

Well if you don't want our skills or our opinions, there's probably nothing the 48% can offer to Brave New Britain.

That is the point, these young people who could make such a difference and want to have been shafted, where exactly do they pitch elsewhere for grants? Apart from leaving the UK? So that GB no longer gets to be a world centre of science and wider academia, and that does not just mean the economy losing ground, it will mean that of my BC recurs I don't get to benefit from all that collaborative research.

www.nature.com/news/how-scientists-reacted-to-the-brexit-1.20158

Well, 52% brave.

I have met three, two said that they never expected their vote would count and that it was the fault of that people in places like Bradford.

The other one, an Asian friend, who voted for Brexit because she was tired of all these "European immigrants stealing Britain's taxes". I think that she just realised last week that she also counts as an immigrant, and that it will be even more difficult for her to stay in Britain once she finishes her studies.

I have. They regretted almost instantly. Didn't take enough time to mug up on the economics, apparently.

I have a proud Brexit campaigner as one of my FB 'friends' (cough) who is today moaning about his house buyer pulling out of the sale.
I didn't have the heart to ask him if it was the uncertain financial landscape that had pushed them. I really don't think some people have their heads screwed on.

Didn't take enough time to mug up on the economics, apparently

I think the damage to the economy is the least of our worries.

Ouch DontBuy, that's tough. I'm sure you don't need to say a word, he will realise what he's done.