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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 18:51

THE BREXIT FALLOUT OUT CONTINUES - THREAD SEVEN!

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The Story So Far – Blue Corner
Johnson & Gove stabbed Cameron & Osborne. They then won a big vote about something or other. I forget the details. I’m not sure it matters anymore.

Johnson got then stabbed by Gove. Johnson joined Leadsom. Gove got stung by his mate Boles who was trying stab Leadsom, and he ended up getting stabbed by just about everyone.

Where We Are Now – Blue Corner
Out of the ashes of the mess that the posh boys made, emerged two unexpected contenders to become the Torchbearer for the Tories.

#Team May
The Home Secretary, and the former figure of hate, is now looking like she might be the choice of sanity and the one who might just be able to save us from ourselves. She is the choice of the left and centre. The left and centre now being anyone who thinks ‘The 1950s were very nice, but actually we’d prefer not to go back there. A return to the 1970s is far enough, thanks’.

She is supported by just about the entire mainstream media (which in itself is quite an achievement – The Sun and The Guardian being united in editorial opinion) and the majority of Conservative MPs. We don’t know this, but she quite possibly unites the Labour Party on the subject too.

#Team Leadsom
The Junior minister made good, and has outmanoeuvred all her superiors in the cabinet to throw her hat in the ring. The trouble is that she’s either somewhat naïve, a bit of an arsehole or a scheming liar. And that’s the charitable version.

She is emerging as the Sarah Palin of the UK, and has some dubious looking Tea Party links. In the era of post fact politics Project Fear is now Project Smear. Of course this makes her Mrs Umbridge, the poor apple pie lover, bullied by the political elite and media establishment, rather than a fruit cake.

BUT
Underestimate her appeal at your peril. She has a big field of unicorns somewhere that we’ve not been able to track down on googlemaps so far, and she is preparing to unleash them.

She is the choice of the Right. She is supported by much of the depths of twitter, Louise Mensch, UKIP, Arron Banks, BNP and Britain First.

Oh and that tax return? Hmm

Our future fate is to be decided by 150,000 Conservative Members (two thirds of whom are men and roughly 50% of whom are over sixty).

How we look back at David Cameron’s tweet on the 4th May 2015 with such fondness:
Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband.

Send me the link for the petition to ‘Come Back Dave, all is forgiven’. We have at least six weeks of this particular shower of shit to look forward to, before the next one hits.

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The Story So Far – Purple Corner
Many years ago, Nigel Farage founded the idea and started his one man campaign for the UK to leave the EU. (Except he didn’t. It was someone else’s idea. He just took over and took the credit for it). He became the poster boy for the Leave campaign, despite not being affiliated with it. He stood and claimed victory, without a shot fired.

As he said to the European Parliament with impeccable manners and good grace, ‘We aren’t laughing now’. To be fair to him, we weren’t. We were all shouting ‘FUCK OFF’ instead. After securing his £7000 pay rise as an MEP, he decided enough was enough, and it was time to ‘get his life back’ (he got sacked) and look for a career as a contestant on reality TV shows.

I hear Help I’m a Celeb have offered half a million for his services.

Where We Are Now – Purple Corner
Quicker than you can say, ‘Oh Thank God(win) for that’, we are already are starting to miss ‘Our Nige’, the cheeky chappy from next door. Instead the options are looking bleak, as candidates start to crawl out from under their rocks. The spectre of Arron Banks and his call to arms for ‘freedom’ lurks in the shadow.

For those of you unfamiliar with Mr Banks so far in this story, he’s one of UKIP’s biggest donors. He and his mate Andy Wigmore run an offshore insurance company out of Gibraltar. Banks, was head honcho of Leave.eu and one of his other mates, hypnotist Paul McKenna, gave advice on how to influence people with propaganda. Banks and Wigmore have some connections with Belize. Bank’s ex-wife was accused of being one of the KGB’s best agents. They are now divorced and she has a harassment order out on him. He does not like the ‘Uk elite’ and takes it personality.
Sounds like just the kind of guy, you’d love to move in as a neighbour.

This is the very definition of shit.

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The Story So Far – Red Corner
Once upon a time, there was a man named Blair. He waved a lot of flags said ‘Cool Britannia’ and smiled a lot. But Tony turned out to not be such a good ‘un. He didn’t play by the rules and got caught out. Blair was made to appear on national television to defend himself. He cried, and told us how he couldn’t sleep at night, but actually he did do the right thing and everyone is still wrong and we are all picking on him.

Does he need to go away and think about it for a while? Say, in a locked room for several years?

Where We Are Now – Red Corner
The WMD that Bliar lost in Iraq finally turned up in Labour HQ on 24th June. However, no one has been prepared to let off a controlled explosion yet. Apparently there is something of an aversion to Big Red Buttons (otherwise know to us simple folks as ‘Agreeing on Something’ and ‘Making Decisions’) within the party.

Corbyn, the champion of Momentum, has been carrying on as if nothing is happening, there is no problem and its everyone else is wrong, insisting that since he had a mandate from the people 10 months ago and it’s all still honky dory. He’s doing his job just fine and leading is well, a bit of an inconvenience to his rally schedule.

The Unions seem to have declared war on Tom Watson. His name has been added to the ever growing list of ‘traitors’.

Across the country action has been taken against these ‘traitors’. Normally this behaviour would be classed as ‘thuggery’ and ‘intimidation’. In post-fact Britain though, this is now acceptable, if it’s from the Left. Violence against Labour members is only disgusting if it is carried out by the right, you see.

Apparently, as the Momentum chief says, ‘winning’ is only a ‘small bit’ of democracy that matters to ‘political elites who want to keep power themselves’.

Obviously political gains that help and protect the interests of the working classes and poor are surplus to requirements. I guess their ultimate aim is to win no Labour seats at all then. Good stuff. We are headed in the right direction for that one.

Angela Eagle left her doorstep, and went on the telly after a week of refusing to make a decision to say ‘Ok I’m going to stand to remove a man who refuses to make decisions’. Apparently she is doing this to ‘Heal Labour’.

Someone break it to her, that if Labour gets its legs blown off by Corbynite, the chances of them healing, are somewhat remote.

To make matter worse, Corbyn disagrees with how you get on the ballot paper, and might not be it at this rate. Or it might end up in court. Like article 50.

Owen Smith is the other pretender to the Crown of Roses. We know who he is now. He’s err… He’s still welsh!

What do we reckon the chances of Labour surviving as one party are? Zero to none? This is more like wading through shit than a shower of it.

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The Story So Far – Yellow Corner
Tumbleweed

Where We Are Now – Yellow Corner
Everyone’s been praying for a ruddy miracle to end this torture and give the country an opposition party. Finally, Tim Farron, has awoken, removed his splinters from his arse, got off the fence in response to this. Amid growing rumblings of a complete political realignment and fleeing Labour and Conservative MPs, he says:

‘Hey folks, this political turmoil looks fun, can we join in too?!’

FACEPALM

No shit left to share.

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The consensus of opinion is that we might be a tiny teeny bit screwed.
Did someone mention the EU? EU? Oh fuck that, we’ve just about forgotten all that now!
Bigger fish to fry.
British ones of course.

We need really do need Gandalf to come save us from this madness.

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?
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Peregrina · 11/07/2016 11:23

BREXIT MEANS BREXIT - there will be no way back into the EU. (claps)

No doubt this is to reassure the large numbers in her party who voted Leave. I wonder what her version of Brexit will be? A free trade agreement like Norway, with free movement of labour, (as favoured by Daniel Hannan and Boris Johnson), or a Swiss style EFTA agreement, or a Leasdom style, let's pretend we still have an Empire?

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 11:23

I think I can sum that up as

"TAKE THAT ANDREA! Your move next"

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BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2016 11:24

McCkuskey is definitely one who sees ideological purity as far superior to getting into power to do anything.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 11:24

May, I've accepted Leadsom apology. Refused to talk about Leadsom. Then changed the subject to what she wants to do and her experience and what she wants to do.

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flippinada · 11/07/2016 11:25

Also some of the language used by McCluskey is likes something you would expect from (say) the 1920s era Soviet Union.

Chalalala · 11/07/2016 11:25

MrsLupo, what is your best-case outcome here?

There are two problems - the British media is hostile to Corbyn, and the PLP is hostile to Corbyn.

Do you genuinely think it's possible that both problems could be solved in the foreseeable future? Is the media going to be convinced to change its tune? Is the PLP going to change its mind? (even if it does, would it really help when it's on record as officially registering non-confidence in Corbyn? the political damage cannot be undone)

It seems to me that Corbyn and his supporters are so busy trying to prove that he's in the right and he's being unfairly treated, that they can't see the forest for the trees. Does it matter that he's in the right, if he's still unable to lead the parliamentary opposition? Is it really worth destroying the Labour party and giving a free pass to the Tories, just to prove a point of principle?

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 11:26

Q: Where has Osborne failed on tax?

A: He has moved on this, but hes not gone far enough. (Defense of him. Interesting).

Q: Will we leave the single market?

A: Will get the best deal. Free movement can not continue as it has done.

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BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2016 11:28

iirc, the Swiss don't have Financial Passporting, which doesn't matter much to them, but is essential to retain the current status of the City of London as a major financial centre.
EEA seems to allow the access to the single market for trade and also the access we need wrt services - although hard negotiating required

TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 11:29

This is intriguing.

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak)
July 11, 2016
@andrealeadsom making a statement at 12

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 11:29

MAY: better design of housing and more in sympathy with areas. NOT building on green belt. need to be more clever about how we do this.

Q: Re Social media. Accusations of black ops.
A: Says that we need a clean campaign.
Mentions sharia point, says that it has to be looked at and do the review of it. Does it discriminate against women and counter to rule of law.

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Chalalala · 11/07/2016 11:30

Will get the best deal. Free movement can not continue as it has done.

Interesting phrasing - cannot continue "as it has done"... meaning it may continue but with slightly different arrangements?

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 11:32

That was a GOOD speech.
It did have points in it which I liked.

The Leadsom camp should be worried about that performance.

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TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 11:32

I think some LP members and supporters are more concerned with having an ideologically pure Labour Party than one which is electable. from flippinada
Is it really worth destroying the Labour party and giving a free pass to the Tories, just to prove a point of principle? from chalalala

That's basically what the Momentum bloke proposed yesterday, yes.

nauticant · 11/07/2016 11:34

Reading that makes some of the fear abate. I think that's because, for me, it's the first proper response to Brexit I've seen come out of a leading politician. Feels substantial with only a whiff of unicorn.

flippinada · 11/07/2016 11:34

It was a good speech. Very clever.

I don't agree with her politics but she's clearly intelligent and an astute politician.

Chalalala · 11/07/2016 11:35

rumour that Leadsom is quitting at noon???!!!!

Chalalala · 11/07/2016 11:36

Guido Fawkes ✔ @GuidoFawkes
Sources: Leadsom quitting at noon.
11:32 AM - 11 Jul 2016
224 224 Retweets 31 31 likes
Obviously we’re trying to get that confirmed ...

(from the Guardian)

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 11:36

WOW

Leadsom about to withdraw??!!

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BoreOfWhabylon · 11/07/2016 11:37

rumour that Leadsom is quitting at noon???!!!!

NotDavidTennant · 11/07/2016 11:38

RedToothBrush, let me correct this for you:

"Reggae the answer is simply how do Torygraph and Times readers owners do their tax returns?

They don't want it digging up."

Wink
RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 11:39

Red If you don't fancy EEA, what is your favourite ?
The WTO looks dreadful, raw unfettered capitalism pitting UK workers vs others on a few $ per day, a race to the bottom for the 90%.
Brexit appears politically irreversible whatever the damage.

Genuinely, I don't know. I don't think that EEA is great. But it might well end up being the best option. I guess I'm holding on for unicorns myself! A third way?

I agree, I don't think EU is an option.

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TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 11:39

The housing pledges are aimed squarely at the Tory heartland shires.

It was a proper, serious, political speech, nothing fluffy that I could detect, just 'These are my proposals'. I think the defence of Osbourne is part of her signalling she won't stoop to the personal attack level, she's above all that, which carries on from her response to AL and her clean campaign pledge. She's making sure she looks like a leader, not someone who thinks they could be a leader, which is an important difference, I think. I also suspect that Osbourne would get a senior job under her if he wanted it. Probably not Chancellor or FS, but something with some weight, which wouldn't be my first choice but would be a sign that she can work with people across the Tory spectrum as she is doing with Liam Fox. Probably not much chance for Gove or Johnson though!

lljkk · 11/07/2016 11:41

5Live reporting that Leadsom is about to drop out...

flippinada · 11/07/2016 11:42

Leadsom is quitting? Good news (if true).

GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 11:42

Bathroom I fully agree with your assessment of TM's speech. I am actually feeling slightly more positive. I will wait and see what 1200hrs brings us.