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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 18:51

THE BREXIT FALLOUT OUT CONTINUES - THREAD SEVEN!

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The Story So Far – Blue Corner
Johnson & Gove stabbed Cameron & Osborne. They then won a big vote about something or other. I forget the details. I’m not sure it matters anymore.

Johnson got then stabbed by Gove. Johnson joined Leadsom. Gove got stung by his mate Boles who was trying stab Leadsom, and he ended up getting stabbed by just about everyone.

Where We Are Now – Blue Corner
Out of the ashes of the mess that the posh boys made, emerged two unexpected contenders to become the Torchbearer for the Tories.

#Team May
The Home Secretary, and the former figure of hate, is now looking like she might be the choice of sanity and the one who might just be able to save us from ourselves. She is the choice of the left and centre. The left and centre now being anyone who thinks ‘The 1950s were very nice, but actually we’d prefer not to go back there. A return to the 1970s is far enough, thanks’.

She is supported by just about the entire mainstream media (which in itself is quite an achievement – The Sun and The Guardian being united in editorial opinion) and the majority of Conservative MPs. We don’t know this, but she quite possibly unites the Labour Party on the subject too.

#Team Leadsom
The Junior minister made good, and has outmanoeuvred all her superiors in the cabinet to throw her hat in the ring. The trouble is that she’s either somewhat naïve, a bit of an arsehole or a scheming liar. And that’s the charitable version.

She is emerging as the Sarah Palin of the UK, and has some dubious looking Tea Party links. In the era of post fact politics Project Fear is now Project Smear. Of course this makes her Mrs Umbridge, the poor apple pie lover, bullied by the political elite and media establishment, rather than a fruit cake.

BUT
Underestimate her appeal at your peril. She has a big field of unicorns somewhere that we’ve not been able to track down on googlemaps so far, and she is preparing to unleash them.

She is the choice of the Right. She is supported by much of the depths of twitter, Louise Mensch, UKIP, Arron Banks, BNP and Britain First.

Oh and that tax return? Hmm

Our future fate is to be decided by 150,000 Conservative Members (two thirds of whom are men and roughly 50% of whom are over sixty).

How we look back at David Cameron’s tweet on the 4th May 2015 with such fondness:
Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband.

Send me the link for the petition to ‘Come Back Dave, all is forgiven’. We have at least six weeks of this particular shower of shit to look forward to, before the next one hits.

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The Story So Far – Purple Corner
Many years ago, Nigel Farage founded the idea and started his one man campaign for the UK to leave the EU. (Except he didn’t. It was someone else’s idea. He just took over and took the credit for it). He became the poster boy for the Leave campaign, despite not being affiliated with it. He stood and claimed victory, without a shot fired.

As he said to the European Parliament with impeccable manners and good grace, ‘We aren’t laughing now’. To be fair to him, we weren’t. We were all shouting ‘FUCK OFF’ instead. After securing his £7000 pay rise as an MEP, he decided enough was enough, and it was time to ‘get his life back’ (he got sacked) and look for a career as a contestant on reality TV shows.

I hear Help I’m a Celeb have offered half a million for his services.

Where We Are Now – Purple Corner
Quicker than you can say, ‘Oh Thank God(win) for that’, we are already are starting to miss ‘Our Nige’, the cheeky chappy from next door. Instead the options are looking bleak, as candidates start to crawl out from under their rocks. The spectre of Arron Banks and his call to arms for ‘freedom’ lurks in the shadow.

For those of you unfamiliar with Mr Banks so far in this story, he’s one of UKIP’s biggest donors. He and his mate Andy Wigmore run an offshore insurance company out of Gibraltar. Banks, was head honcho of Leave.eu and one of his other mates, hypnotist Paul McKenna, gave advice on how to influence people with propaganda. Banks and Wigmore have some connections with Belize. Bank’s ex-wife was accused of being one of the KGB’s best agents. They are now divorced and she has a harassment order out on him. He does not like the ‘Uk elite’ and takes it personality.
Sounds like just the kind of guy, you’d love to move in as a neighbour.

This is the very definition of shit.

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The Story So Far – Red Corner
Once upon a time, there was a man named Blair. He waved a lot of flags said ‘Cool Britannia’ and smiled a lot. But Tony turned out to not be such a good ‘un. He didn’t play by the rules and got caught out. Blair was made to appear on national television to defend himself. He cried, and told us how he couldn’t sleep at night, but actually he did do the right thing and everyone is still wrong and we are all picking on him.

Does he need to go away and think about it for a while? Say, in a locked room for several years?

Where We Are Now – Red Corner
The WMD that Bliar lost in Iraq finally turned up in Labour HQ on 24th June. However, no one has been prepared to let off a controlled explosion yet. Apparently there is something of an aversion to Big Red Buttons (otherwise know to us simple folks as ‘Agreeing on Something’ and ‘Making Decisions’) within the party.

Corbyn, the champion of Momentum, has been carrying on as if nothing is happening, there is no problem and its everyone else is wrong, insisting that since he had a mandate from the people 10 months ago and it’s all still honky dory. He’s doing his job just fine and leading is well, a bit of an inconvenience to his rally schedule.

The Unions seem to have declared war on Tom Watson. His name has been added to the ever growing list of ‘traitors’.

Across the country action has been taken against these ‘traitors’. Normally this behaviour would be classed as ‘thuggery’ and ‘intimidation’. In post-fact Britain though, this is now acceptable, if it’s from the Left. Violence against Labour members is only disgusting if it is carried out by the right, you see.

Apparently, as the Momentum chief says, ‘winning’ is only a ‘small bit’ of democracy that matters to ‘political elites who want to keep power themselves’.

Obviously political gains that help and protect the interests of the working classes and poor are surplus to requirements. I guess their ultimate aim is to win no Labour seats at all then. Good stuff. We are headed in the right direction for that one.

Angela Eagle left her doorstep, and went on the telly after a week of refusing to make a decision to say ‘Ok I’m going to stand to remove a man who refuses to make decisions’. Apparently she is doing this to ‘Heal Labour’.

Someone break it to her, that if Labour gets its legs blown off by Corbynite, the chances of them healing, are somewhat remote.

To make matter worse, Corbyn disagrees with how you get on the ballot paper, and might not be it at this rate. Or it might end up in court. Like article 50.

Owen Smith is the other pretender to the Crown of Roses. We know who he is now. He’s err… He’s still welsh!

What do we reckon the chances of Labour surviving as one party are? Zero to none? This is more like wading through shit than a shower of it.

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The Story So Far – Yellow Corner
Tumbleweed

Where We Are Now – Yellow Corner
Everyone’s been praying for a ruddy miracle to end this torture and give the country an opposition party. Finally, Tim Farron, has awoken, removed his splinters from his arse, got off the fence in response to this. Amid growing rumblings of a complete political realignment and fleeing Labour and Conservative MPs, he says:

‘Hey folks, this political turmoil looks fun, can we join in too?!’

FACEPALM

No shit left to share.

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The consensus of opinion is that we might be a tiny teeny bit screwed.
Did someone mention the EU? EU? Oh fuck that, we’ve just about forgotten all that now!
Bigger fish to fry.
British ones of course.

We need really do need Gandalf to come save us from this madness.

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 10:40

Cabinet meeting finished (that was quick)

www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/another-triumph-for-democracy-sighs-britain-20160712110618
Daily Mail Triumph for democracy

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-vote-sees-universities-warn-of-dangerous-problems-for-academics-working-with-eu-partners_uk_578499fee4b0e9f338cbe2e2?0novfgvi
Universities funding crisis looming

indy100.independent.co.uk/article/11-people-with-a-bigger-mandate-to-run-the-country-than-theresa-may--WkxujeT7iSW
People with a bigger democratic mandate than May. Top of the list: Nicola Sturgeon.

Just seen this on twitter with the attached (hope its readable):
Andrew Spooner ‏@andrewspoooner

Why was John McDonnell giving a speech about "splitting" from Labour at the conference of a party opposed to Labour?

That does seem fair comment and now that suggests there was/is a potential real conflict of interests going on. By speaking, he surely legitimised the campaign. Its something that is perhaps fair enough to do as a backbencher, but as a shadow cabinet member? Hmm.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-angela-merkel-article-50-leave-europe-negotiations-talks-a7132261.html
Merkel latest.

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/07/2016 10:42

re JC winning whatever happens ...

I see Labour losing:

a) limp along in perpetual civil war for another few years, until JC pops his clogs, or
b) split and divide the left vote - 2 smaller parties get far fewer votes than one larger party unless each party has their own geographical areas

Option a) Is being out of power until 2020 or 2025
Option b) looks like being out of power for decades

Labour's only chance with b) is that TM has a terrible Brexit, say she goes WTO and there is mass unemployment, insufficient money for benefits, nhs etc.
Not something to hope for.

This whole JC / Momentum adventure is so self-indulgent and totally abandoning Labour's reason for being: standing up for workers, the poor and the vulnerable in society.

Whatever your politics, we need an effective Opposition, who can look like a sensible alternative government, not a street protest movement or 2 impotent smaller parties.

TheBathroomSink · 12/07/2016 10:43

Red I saw that McDonnell thing but I think someone said it was a speech back in 2007 that has just resurfaced (as they are for everyone at the moment!).

Will try to find it again

TheBathroomSink · 12/07/2016 10:44

btw Carney has moved on to using lots of words I no longer understand, so I'm now relying on BBC/G/Tel for a clue as to what is important!

BigChocFrenzy · 12/07/2016 10:45

That Cabinet meeting was just saying "Goodbye and thanks for all the fish"

TheBathroomSink · 12/07/2016 10:47

Andrew Spooner ‏@andrewspoooner 2h2 hours ago
@tobyperkinsmp actually, think its from 2009. Date of conf is Jan 10 & first appears on web archive Feb 2009 <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090215000000*/www.cnwp.org.uk/news.54.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20090215000000*/www.cnwp.org.uk/news.54.htm …

On McDonnell

BigChocFrenzy · 12/07/2016 10:50

I suspect Carney is just saying this in experts' language, so as not to scare the public:
(He may just want to hang out this poster for the next 5 years)

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Unicornsarelovely · 12/07/2016 10:51

I agree bigchoc.

I think JC will probably be satisfied with whatever happens, but he'll destroy labour in the process unless they either split or get him out.

I understand why the coup took place, but to be so disappointingly half assed about it!

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 10:51

I was under the impression that McDonnell thing was last year but I am happy to stand corrected on it.

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Chalalala · 12/07/2016 10:57

Merkel doubling down on full access to EU market = free movement, saying she expects tough negotiations.

May has rocky times ahead, she has a slim majority with significant numbers of Brexiteer extremists. Finding a compromise that doesn't destroy her majority will be a challenge to say the least.

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 11:01

Corbyn must be on the ballot, says Unite's Len McCluskey. “I won’t accept a fix.” on radio 4

The trolling of Angela:
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/angela-eagle-jeremy-corbyn-facebook_uk_57848fe8e4b0c705321343f6?o6kzq5invahnf80k9

Unfortunately some bright spark Corbynites also decided to use the hashtag #StayPutInLabour....

The Times are reported by the guardian as saying Cameron took out a £800,000 mortgage days BEFORE the referendum.

Just days before the European Union referendum, perhaps sensing which way the result was going, the prime minister and his wife, Samantha, mortgaged their four-bedroom family home in Notting Hill, west London. It was bought without a mortgage for £1.125 million in 2006 and has been let out while the family lived in Downing Street. The tenants are believed to have been given notice to quit.

The house is now estimated to be worth £3.5 million, and the £800,000 lump sum will come in useful for the Camerons’ planned business ventures, campaigns and charity work. It would also help to pay for a more luxurious holiday than the bodyboarding in Cornwall and budget airline trips to Portugal and Ibiza that they settled for while Mr Cameron was prime minister.

So he was able to plan to do this....

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GingerIvy · 12/07/2016 11:03

An interesting read.

"You can't call Jeremy Corbyn unpopular and unelectable while fighting to keep him off a ballot because he's too popular"

www.independent.co.uk/voices/calling-jeremy-corbyn-unelectable-while-fighting-tooth-and-nail-to-keep-him-off-a-ballot-makes-a7132276.html

SwedishEdith · 12/07/2016 11:03

Arif Ansari ‏@ArifBBC 36m36 minutes ago
I'm told Angela Eagle's Wallasey constituency office was bricked overnight.

Great Sad

TheBathroomSink · 12/07/2016 11:04

That report is definitely pre-2014, because it refers to Bob Crow speaking, not to mention there's no recent updates on the website (as in it's all years old)

TheBathroomSink · 12/07/2016 11:06

Siraj Datoo ‏@dats 24m24 minutes ago
A brick was thrown through Angela Eagle's constituency office in Wallasey last night. Staff now not picking up phones they're getting abuse.

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 11:08

Jack Blanchard
Daily Mirror reporter
‏@JackBlanchard

Today in the Labour Party:
Bricks hurled through Angela Eagle's windows
Chris Bryant reporting death threat to the police
It's only 11.03am

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TheBathroomSink · 12/07/2016 11:10

It cannot be acceptable to behave like this in response to a leadership challenge that she probably won't win anyway. It is nothing more than attempting to crush disagreement.

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 11:11

THE REMOVAL VAN HAS ARRIVED.

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TheBathroomSink · 12/07/2016 11:12

Simon Neville
‏@SimonNeville
Every time Tyrie asks about private conversations BoE holds talks with Osborne, Carney squirms. Raises accusations of "meddling".

(Buzzfeed Business Ed)

TheBathroomSink · 12/07/2016 11:13

norman smith ‏@BBCNormanS 3m3 minutes ago
Removal van arrived at back of Downing Street. I kid Ye not #brutal

Snap, red!

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 11:13

I find it ironic that people who believe so much on the democratic mandate of something think that intimidation is the right way to ensure it.

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RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 11:19

www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2016/07/economist-explains-9?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/whypointsbasedimmigrationsystemsdontwork
Why points based systems don't work.

www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/anti-globalization-backlash-from-right-by-dani-rodrik-2016-07
Interesting piece on why the right rather than the left has gained support in the face of the threats posed by globalisation.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2016/jul/12/brexit-your-new-favourite-biscuit-brand?CMP=twt_gu
Fancy a Brexit biscuit?

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Arborea · 12/07/2016 11:19

If what Corbyn is after is an ideologically pure opposition party providing radical alternatives but no prospects of election, that's very laudable.

But then he should start his own socialist party, because the country does need a mainstream electable opposition party asap.

YY x 1,000 to this! Otherwise it's difficult to counter nauseating statements like Louise Mensch's that "the Tories are the natural party of Government".

I believe that Corbyn is a decent, principled person, but he's not leading the Labour party as a whole. Like someone else said earlier, I am a floating lefty (loath my local Labour MP so can't vote for him in good conscience), and I would like to find a party that represents my perspective, and that doesn't feel as though I'm wasting my vote. Party politics in FPTP has to be a broad church, so swings to the hard left or right are leaving lots of people behind.

On that subject, I would bet good money that if the PR referendum was run again it would have a very different result mentioning nothing about the shambles of the PR alternative that was actually put forward last time. Imagine having a time machine, and going back to tip off Nick Clegg to keep his powder dry and wait a few more years before calling for it (and also to tell him that capitulating on tuition fees is going to be a huge mistake...)!

TheBathroomSink · 12/07/2016 11:25

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 2m2 minutes ago
V real possibility that one part of Labour Party is taking another part of it to court by the end of the day, whatever NEC decides later

noblegiraffe · 12/07/2016 11:27

Has Corbyn said anything about Theresa May yet?

He really needs to have a word with his supporters about what they're doing in his name. However I suspect he supports their tactics (maybe in not the bricking, but the shouting down etc). So much for a new type of politics, he didn't mention that it was shit.

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