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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 18:51

THE BREXIT FALLOUT OUT CONTINUES - THREAD SEVEN!

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The Story So Far – Blue Corner
Johnson & Gove stabbed Cameron & Osborne. They then won a big vote about something or other. I forget the details. I’m not sure it matters anymore.

Johnson got then stabbed by Gove. Johnson joined Leadsom. Gove got stung by his mate Boles who was trying stab Leadsom, and he ended up getting stabbed by just about everyone.

Where We Are Now – Blue Corner
Out of the ashes of the mess that the posh boys made, emerged two unexpected contenders to become the Torchbearer for the Tories.

#Team May
The Home Secretary, and the former figure of hate, is now looking like she might be the choice of sanity and the one who might just be able to save us from ourselves. She is the choice of the left and centre. The left and centre now being anyone who thinks ‘The 1950s were very nice, but actually we’d prefer not to go back there. A return to the 1970s is far enough, thanks’.

She is supported by just about the entire mainstream media (which in itself is quite an achievement – The Sun and The Guardian being united in editorial opinion) and the majority of Conservative MPs. We don’t know this, but she quite possibly unites the Labour Party on the subject too.

#Team Leadsom
The Junior minister made good, and has outmanoeuvred all her superiors in the cabinet to throw her hat in the ring. The trouble is that she’s either somewhat naïve, a bit of an arsehole or a scheming liar. And that’s the charitable version.

She is emerging as the Sarah Palin of the UK, and has some dubious looking Tea Party links. In the era of post fact politics Project Fear is now Project Smear. Of course this makes her Mrs Umbridge, the poor apple pie lover, bullied by the political elite and media establishment, rather than a fruit cake.

BUT
Underestimate her appeal at your peril. She has a big field of unicorns somewhere that we’ve not been able to track down on googlemaps so far, and she is preparing to unleash them.

She is the choice of the Right. She is supported by much of the depths of twitter, Louise Mensch, UKIP, Arron Banks, BNP and Britain First.

Oh and that tax return? Hmm

Our future fate is to be decided by 150,000 Conservative Members (two thirds of whom are men and roughly 50% of whom are over sixty).

How we look back at David Cameron’s tweet on the 4th May 2015 with such fondness:
Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband.

Send me the link for the petition to ‘Come Back Dave, all is forgiven’. We have at least six weeks of this particular shower of shit to look forward to, before the next one hits.

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The Story So Far – Purple Corner
Many years ago, Nigel Farage founded the idea and started his one man campaign for the UK to leave the EU. (Except he didn’t. It was someone else’s idea. He just took over and took the credit for it). He became the poster boy for the Leave campaign, despite not being affiliated with it. He stood and claimed victory, without a shot fired.

As he said to the European Parliament with impeccable manners and good grace, ‘We aren’t laughing now’. To be fair to him, we weren’t. We were all shouting ‘FUCK OFF’ instead. After securing his £7000 pay rise as an MEP, he decided enough was enough, and it was time to ‘get his life back’ (he got sacked) and look for a career as a contestant on reality TV shows.

I hear Help I’m a Celeb have offered half a million for his services.

Where We Are Now – Purple Corner
Quicker than you can say, ‘Oh Thank God(win) for that’, we are already are starting to miss ‘Our Nige’, the cheeky chappy from next door. Instead the options are looking bleak, as candidates start to crawl out from under their rocks. The spectre of Arron Banks and his call to arms for ‘freedom’ lurks in the shadow.

For those of you unfamiliar with Mr Banks so far in this story, he’s one of UKIP’s biggest donors. He and his mate Andy Wigmore run an offshore insurance company out of Gibraltar. Banks, was head honcho of Leave.eu and one of his other mates, hypnotist Paul McKenna, gave advice on how to influence people with propaganda. Banks and Wigmore have some connections with Belize. Bank’s ex-wife was accused of being one of the KGB’s best agents. They are now divorced and she has a harassment order out on him. He does not like the ‘Uk elite’ and takes it personality.
Sounds like just the kind of guy, you’d love to move in as a neighbour.

This is the very definition of shit.

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The Story So Far – Red Corner
Once upon a time, there was a man named Blair. He waved a lot of flags said ‘Cool Britannia’ and smiled a lot. But Tony turned out to not be such a good ‘un. He didn’t play by the rules and got caught out. Blair was made to appear on national television to defend himself. He cried, and told us how he couldn’t sleep at night, but actually he did do the right thing and everyone is still wrong and we are all picking on him.

Does he need to go away and think about it for a while? Say, in a locked room for several years?

Where We Are Now – Red Corner
The WMD that Bliar lost in Iraq finally turned up in Labour HQ on 24th June. However, no one has been prepared to let off a controlled explosion yet. Apparently there is something of an aversion to Big Red Buttons (otherwise know to us simple folks as ‘Agreeing on Something’ and ‘Making Decisions’) within the party.

Corbyn, the champion of Momentum, has been carrying on as if nothing is happening, there is no problem and its everyone else is wrong, insisting that since he had a mandate from the people 10 months ago and it’s all still honky dory. He’s doing his job just fine and leading is well, a bit of an inconvenience to his rally schedule.

The Unions seem to have declared war on Tom Watson. His name has been added to the ever growing list of ‘traitors’.

Across the country action has been taken against these ‘traitors’. Normally this behaviour would be classed as ‘thuggery’ and ‘intimidation’. In post-fact Britain though, this is now acceptable, if it’s from the Left. Violence against Labour members is only disgusting if it is carried out by the right, you see.

Apparently, as the Momentum chief says, ‘winning’ is only a ‘small bit’ of democracy that matters to ‘political elites who want to keep power themselves’.

Obviously political gains that help and protect the interests of the working classes and poor are surplus to requirements. I guess their ultimate aim is to win no Labour seats at all then. Good stuff. We are headed in the right direction for that one.

Angela Eagle left her doorstep, and went on the telly after a week of refusing to make a decision to say ‘Ok I’m going to stand to remove a man who refuses to make decisions’. Apparently she is doing this to ‘Heal Labour’.

Someone break it to her, that if Labour gets its legs blown off by Corbynite, the chances of them healing, are somewhat remote.

To make matter worse, Corbyn disagrees with how you get on the ballot paper, and might not be it at this rate. Or it might end up in court. Like article 50.

Owen Smith is the other pretender to the Crown of Roses. We know who he is now. He’s err… He’s still welsh!

What do we reckon the chances of Labour surviving as one party are? Zero to none? This is more like wading through shit than a shower of it.

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The Story So Far – Yellow Corner
Tumbleweed

Where We Are Now – Yellow Corner
Everyone’s been praying for a ruddy miracle to end this torture and give the country an opposition party. Finally, Tim Farron, has awoken, removed his splinters from his arse, got off the fence in response to this. Amid growing rumblings of a complete political realignment and fleeing Labour and Conservative MPs, he says:

‘Hey folks, this political turmoil looks fun, can we join in too?!’

FACEPALM

No shit left to share.

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The consensus of opinion is that we might be a tiny teeny bit screwed.
Did someone mention the EU? EU? Oh fuck that, we’ve just about forgotten all that now!
Bigger fish to fry.
British ones of course.

We need really do need Gandalf to come save us from this madness.

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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Floisme · 12/07/2016 07:15

Oh and only just noticed May was wearing her leopard print shoes yesterday. Good on ya Wink

TheBathroomSink · 12/07/2016 07:47

Norman Tebbit has arrived to sprinkle his own special brand of happy all over everything, whilst Allison Pearson goes further in blaming us all for crushing poor Andrea's dreams of unicorns for everyone. How anyone can read anything Pearson has written about Leadsom and think that this sounds like a woman ready for a Cabinet post, I don't know.

Is it possible that Allison Pearson has outfoxed us all, and is actually undermining AL? If I have, in fact, been outfoxed by Allison Pearson, do I know need to take the batteries out of my keyboard and accept that I am not fit to have an opinion on anything?

HesterThrale · 12/07/2016 07:49

Didn't Cameron say he was a 'one-nation Conservative'? He's very clearly split the nation into TWO. Will May really be able to unite us again?

derxa · 12/07/2016 07:50

That Amy Davidson article was just a snide summary of events. The decline of British politics? No. We've just seen the weeding out of some very incompetent and dangerous people. Farage, Johnson, Gove, Leadsom for example.

birdbandit · 12/07/2016 08:04

By decline, if she means double thinking marketing, over policies, then I would agree. The chat about how to present and deliver messages, is astonishingly complicated, there is chat that AE is deliberately making her pink brand a bit rubbish, to annoy the FB generation, so everyone clicks and bullies, which spreads her message, and makes her appear less new school glossy, more trustworthy and generates sympathy. Makes for a scrambled head.

I actually quite like JC in a dogmatic gruff old teacher kinda way. He shouldn't be leader, but I think what he is attempting to do has value, the Labour Party need to be exorcised, the ghosts of Blair and the war taken out, before they can act as an effective opposition or government.

TheBathroomSink · 12/07/2016 08:05

Complete hatchet job on Loathsome in the Mail including the fact that Vote Leave didn't like her, and no-one believed her when she tried to distance herself from Ukip.
Also the intriguing line "Leadsom told MPs she wasn’t working with Ukip, but she refused to clarify her relationship with Banks." - at least they were asking questions.

Also sounds like she was taking tips from Johnson on how to run a campaign: "Lord Bell then backed away from the campaign because of its amateur approach — telephone calls were not answered and emails were ignored. Leadsom herself never even spoke to Bell directly.

‘You never knew who was in charge of what,’ he said. ‘Leadsom wouldn’t take advice when it was given. She’s not the woman I thought she was. She’s no Mrs Thatcher.’"

Showmethewaytogohome · 12/07/2016 08:06

MrsLupo I have no issue at all with the values and principles of Momentum - I agree with almost all of them. I have issue with the fact they are being used as a one man marketing campaign for Corbyn

It has got to the point that neither can exist without the other - that is not good for Momentum. They need to separate the message from the man if they want to existing and achieve any of their goals

TheBathroomSink · 12/07/2016 08:15

The Labour NEC meet at 2pm, but apparently there are problems because JC should have a majority of support of about 4, but two of them are on holiday. Some are complaining it is too short notice to get to the meeting, and the TSSA union are threatening court action to get it stopped. It is summed up as:
“We’ve just seen David Cameron hand power to Theresa May in under five hours but Unite want a meeting in eight days’ time because some of them work outside London,” the source said."

JedRambosteen · 12/07/2016 08:18

Love Ken Clarke on R4 Today:

Q: should there be a GE?

Ken: on no! (V heartfelt, appalled)

To be fair, he's talking a lot of sense. Although just said A50 be initiated "in a week or two" Shock

derxa · 12/07/2016 08:24

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/11/im-here-to-win-angela-eagle-launch-labour-leadership-bid
The Guardian comments section overwhelmingly NOT in favour of the Eagle. Her 'launch' was so toe-curling it must be part of some cunning plan.
Meanwhile, JC looks positively chipper Grin.
I can't make head or tail of it.

birdbandit · 12/07/2016 08:27

I think I am just clinging on to their being any plan at all, I would weirdly much rather there was some cackling Machiavellian master plan, than a reality where they are all idiots.

Unicornsarelovely · 12/07/2016 08:29

Whichever way this turns out it will be good for JC. If the challengers win, he gets to go back to his spiritual home on the back benches and snark at his party. It may even be that he's now being puppeted by momentum and would quite like to step back.

If he wins, he has an absolutely unassailable mandate to do whatever he wants without really needing to worry about elections etc. It might split the party but there will be a clear socialist party with a significant amount of support, for the first time in 20 years.

birdbandit · 12/07/2016 08:31

I was told by a member of the Remain campaign (I am Scottish) that their cringeworthy cereal woman adverts were hideous as a determined strategy to neutralise the idea that Westminster were bogeymen, to garner sympathy. But that equally could have been post rationalist horse poo coming from a crowing drunk man who was trying to impress me. Hmmm (sorry going off topic)

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 08:33

10am: the Bank of England governor, Mark Carney, gives evidence to the House of Commons Treasury committee.
2pm: Labour’s NEC meets to decide the terms of the party’s leadership contest, including if Corbyn’s name will go through automatically on the ballot.
2.15pm: the immigration minister, James Brokenshire, gives evidence to the Commons home affairs committee.

European political figures seem to be pleased with the appointment of May regarding her as a “pragmatist”. One former EU minister who worked with May is quoted as saying:
I think she will be very, very good [in the current Brexit crisis] because, like Angela Merkel, she is not vain like some men are, but has a clear sense of her own power.

David Cameron is holding his final cabinet meeting today. I would love to see the minutes of the meeting of that one:
"Well guys this is my last meeting. I'm going to try not to cry, but its been a pleasure working with you all, even if you all are a bunch of backstabbing lying bastards. I'd like to extend my special thanks to you Michael, for getting up into this mess. That takes a special kind of talent. And Boris, I just want to applaud you for being an even bigger quitter than me. That loyalty is much appreciated. Jeremy, you've successfully buggered up everything you've done and the NHS is now on its knees. I want to congratulate you, you've done good mate on behalf of the party. George, you just still a cunt. Theresa, its over to you dear. I don't have a note saying there's no money - there still isn't - but we are now even more fucked. Good Bye." Cries into his tie and is comforted by Nicky Morgan.

Angela Eagle, has been busy already this morning. She has called on Parliament to pass a law "to guarantee that workers' rights are never going to go below the minimum guaranteed in Europe" after the UK leaves the EU. About Jeremy Corbyn she says "We need somebody who can persuade now, rather than somebody who just protests." On Len McClusky saying about her being 'branded with infamy' she responded, "Len sounds like he's gone to too many am-dram performances. I am a trade unionist to my fingertips"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/11/view-in-wallasey-angela-eagle-may-be-right-person-but-wrong-time
The view from Wallasey

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/07/labours-nec-set-ensure-jeremy-corbyn-leadership-ballot
The Newstatemen is suggesting that Labour are definitely going to court. So that means no Jeremy on the ballot? No, this means that even if he is on the ballot they are going to take it to court.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/12/general-election-government-mandate-theresa-may
Tim Farron has done a whole article for the Guardian about how there should be a GE.

www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jul/12/how-technology-disrupted-the-truth
The Guardian have a long read about how technology disrupted the truth.

Oh and The Sun have issued this apology. I hope you can read the tiny print.

Today is the 12th July. The day of the Orange marches in NI. A suspect device has been found on one of the routes, having been dropped out of a car. Police have cleared the area and are investigating.

That bodes well for the future...

The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?
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flippinada · 12/07/2016 08:37

Morning all :)

Floisme you're right about guarding against being an echo chamber in here! I too appreciate MrsLupo's comments about him.

I voted for JC myself in the leadership election last year and saw him as a breath of fresh air. I feel (perhaps unfairly?) very let down bu what has transpired since. I want a Labour leader who leads. They don't have to be charismatic (overrated quality), just someone who inspires confidence in their colleagues, is on the ball and who holds the government to account. That's not happening now.

JedRambosteen · 12/07/2016 08:41

I also support the comments above about having varied views represented & Mrs Lupo's contributions.

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 08:41

www.newstatesman.com/2016/07/neil-kinnock-when-corbyn-wanted-me-deposed-i-sought-nominations-mps
The Time That Corbyn Tried to Get Rid of the Labour Leader: By Neil Kinnock.

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kesstrel · 12/07/2016 08:46

but there will be a clear socialist party with a significant amount of support,

But what is a significant amount of support? One percent of eligible voters? (440,000) Two percent? (880,000) I know Corbyn supporters are claiming that everyone who has joined Labour recently supports him, but I don't think that's true. And even the original membership vote was close to 50% against. Basically, they'd be in a Lib Dems/Green Party position, surely?

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 08:49

Floisme you're right about guarding against being an echo chamber in here! I too appreciate MrsLupo's comments about him.

I do too! Keep at it!

FWIW, I just wish the party would cut its loses and just get on with a split now. I can not see any other resolution apart from a torch passing from Corbyn to Smith. Just cut your losses get on with and work out an alliance between the new parties of some description. (Although that's effectively what the Cooperative Party are all about...)

I think that politics is all the better for Corbyn, and perhaps we should really have more parties in politics and people should be less afraid of voting as they see fit rather than tactical voting and parties should work on only standing candidates in certain areas and not others just for the sake of it.

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kesstrel · 12/07/2016 08:50

The article Red lists above about "how technology disrupted the truth" is very good. Talks about people getting pre-selected news from their social media, and talking in echo chambers.

Showmethewaytogohome · 12/07/2016 08:52

Oh Hush Puppy Ken - my old man crush will wane if A50 is served soon

Unicornsarelovely · 12/07/2016 08:54

Even 2% of eligible voters is s big step up from where the SWP or TYC are at the moment, and it could be bigger if JC keeps the labour brand in any split while the PLP join the lib dems or the cooperative party.

It also has the benefit of ideological purity and a clear non-Blair message. I doubt they'd be after power, but they might be similar to UKIP...

Showmethewaytogohome · 12/07/2016 08:55

Red Whilst I understand - you could say exactly the same about UKIP (shudder)

Showmethewaytogohome · 12/07/2016 08:55

Unicorns sorry Cross post

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 08:57

I was talking to a 16 year old about the social media thing at the week, and was quite surprised at some of her answers actually. She said that her and her friends were a lot more open about the source of the article being questioned and didn't accept things at face value quite as much as I thought. I think that growing up in a world where you have always been around social media might make you more savvy about it than older people.

I would love to know if there is any evidence of this on a wider level to be honest.

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