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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 18:51

THE BREXIT FALLOUT OUT CONTINUES - THREAD SEVEN!

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The Story So Far – Blue Corner
Johnson & Gove stabbed Cameron & Osborne. They then won a big vote about something or other. I forget the details. I’m not sure it matters anymore.

Johnson got then stabbed by Gove. Johnson joined Leadsom. Gove got stung by his mate Boles who was trying stab Leadsom, and he ended up getting stabbed by just about everyone.

Where We Are Now – Blue Corner
Out of the ashes of the mess that the posh boys made, emerged two unexpected contenders to become the Torchbearer for the Tories.

#Team May
The Home Secretary, and the former figure of hate, is now looking like she might be the choice of sanity and the one who might just be able to save us from ourselves. She is the choice of the left and centre. The left and centre now being anyone who thinks ‘The 1950s were very nice, but actually we’d prefer not to go back there. A return to the 1970s is far enough, thanks’.

She is supported by just about the entire mainstream media (which in itself is quite an achievement – The Sun and The Guardian being united in editorial opinion) and the majority of Conservative MPs. We don’t know this, but she quite possibly unites the Labour Party on the subject too.

#Team Leadsom
The Junior minister made good, and has outmanoeuvred all her superiors in the cabinet to throw her hat in the ring. The trouble is that she’s either somewhat naïve, a bit of an arsehole or a scheming liar. And that’s the charitable version.

She is emerging as the Sarah Palin of the UK, and has some dubious looking Tea Party links. In the era of post fact politics Project Fear is now Project Smear. Of course this makes her Mrs Umbridge, the poor apple pie lover, bullied by the political elite and media establishment, rather than a fruit cake.

BUT
Underestimate her appeal at your peril. She has a big field of unicorns somewhere that we’ve not been able to track down on googlemaps so far, and she is preparing to unleash them.

She is the choice of the Right. She is supported by much of the depths of twitter, Louise Mensch, UKIP, Arron Banks, BNP and Britain First.

Oh and that tax return? Hmm

Our future fate is to be decided by 150,000 Conservative Members (two thirds of whom are men and roughly 50% of whom are over sixty).

How we look back at David Cameron’s tweet on the 4th May 2015 with such fondness:
Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband.

Send me the link for the petition to ‘Come Back Dave, all is forgiven’. We have at least six weeks of this particular shower of shit to look forward to, before the next one hits.

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The Story So Far – Purple Corner
Many years ago, Nigel Farage founded the idea and started his one man campaign for the UK to leave the EU. (Except he didn’t. It was someone else’s idea. He just took over and took the credit for it). He became the poster boy for the Leave campaign, despite not being affiliated with it. He stood and claimed victory, without a shot fired.

As he said to the European Parliament with impeccable manners and good grace, ‘We aren’t laughing now’. To be fair to him, we weren’t. We were all shouting ‘FUCK OFF’ instead. After securing his £7000 pay rise as an MEP, he decided enough was enough, and it was time to ‘get his life back’ (he got sacked) and look for a career as a contestant on reality TV shows.

I hear Help I’m a Celeb have offered half a million for his services.

Where We Are Now – Purple Corner
Quicker than you can say, ‘Oh Thank God(win) for that’, we are already are starting to miss ‘Our Nige’, the cheeky chappy from next door. Instead the options are looking bleak, as candidates start to crawl out from under their rocks. The spectre of Arron Banks and his call to arms for ‘freedom’ lurks in the shadow.

For those of you unfamiliar with Mr Banks so far in this story, he’s one of UKIP’s biggest donors. He and his mate Andy Wigmore run an offshore insurance company out of Gibraltar. Banks, was head honcho of Leave.eu and one of his other mates, hypnotist Paul McKenna, gave advice on how to influence people with propaganda. Banks and Wigmore have some connections with Belize. Bank’s ex-wife was accused of being one of the KGB’s best agents. They are now divorced and she has a harassment order out on him. He does not like the ‘Uk elite’ and takes it personality.
Sounds like just the kind of guy, you’d love to move in as a neighbour.

This is the very definition of shit.

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The Story So Far – Red Corner
Once upon a time, there was a man named Blair. He waved a lot of flags said ‘Cool Britannia’ and smiled a lot. But Tony turned out to not be such a good ‘un. He didn’t play by the rules and got caught out. Blair was made to appear on national television to defend himself. He cried, and told us how he couldn’t sleep at night, but actually he did do the right thing and everyone is still wrong and we are all picking on him.

Does he need to go away and think about it for a while? Say, in a locked room for several years?

Where We Are Now – Red Corner
The WMD that Bliar lost in Iraq finally turned up in Labour HQ on 24th June. However, no one has been prepared to let off a controlled explosion yet. Apparently there is something of an aversion to Big Red Buttons (otherwise know to us simple folks as ‘Agreeing on Something’ and ‘Making Decisions’) within the party.

Corbyn, the champion of Momentum, has been carrying on as if nothing is happening, there is no problem and its everyone else is wrong, insisting that since he had a mandate from the people 10 months ago and it’s all still honky dory. He’s doing his job just fine and leading is well, a bit of an inconvenience to his rally schedule.

The Unions seem to have declared war on Tom Watson. His name has been added to the ever growing list of ‘traitors’.

Across the country action has been taken against these ‘traitors’. Normally this behaviour would be classed as ‘thuggery’ and ‘intimidation’. In post-fact Britain though, this is now acceptable, if it’s from the Left. Violence against Labour members is only disgusting if it is carried out by the right, you see.

Apparently, as the Momentum chief says, ‘winning’ is only a ‘small bit’ of democracy that matters to ‘political elites who want to keep power themselves’.

Obviously political gains that help and protect the interests of the working classes and poor are surplus to requirements. I guess their ultimate aim is to win no Labour seats at all then. Good stuff. We are headed in the right direction for that one.

Angela Eagle left her doorstep, and went on the telly after a week of refusing to make a decision to say ‘Ok I’m going to stand to remove a man who refuses to make decisions’. Apparently she is doing this to ‘Heal Labour’.

Someone break it to her, that if Labour gets its legs blown off by Corbynite, the chances of them healing, are somewhat remote.

To make matter worse, Corbyn disagrees with how you get on the ballot paper, and might not be it at this rate. Or it might end up in court. Like article 50.

Owen Smith is the other pretender to the Crown of Roses. We know who he is now. He’s err… He’s still welsh!

What do we reckon the chances of Labour surviving as one party are? Zero to none? This is more like wading through shit than a shower of it.

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The Story So Far – Yellow Corner
Tumbleweed

Where We Are Now – Yellow Corner
Everyone’s been praying for a ruddy miracle to end this torture and give the country an opposition party. Finally, Tim Farron, has awoken, removed his splinters from his arse, got off the fence in response to this. Amid growing rumblings of a complete political realignment and fleeing Labour and Conservative MPs, he says:

‘Hey folks, this political turmoil looks fun, can we join in too?!’

FACEPALM

No shit left to share.

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The consensus of opinion is that we might be a tiny teeny bit screwed.
Did someone mention the EU? EU? Oh fuck that, we’ve just about forgotten all that now!
Bigger fish to fry.
British ones of course.

We need really do need Gandalf to come save us from this madness.

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 21:05

I saw something on Twitter that a Labour MP had written, I think in a resignation, but it was a picture and I can't find it now, but basically said he had asked repeatedly for clarification from JC on party policy when he knew he was going to be interviewed, but never got responses, so gave his best guess and was then called out for being disloyal, as the policy had changed.

If that is the case, how can you work like that?

OlennasWimple · 11/07/2016 21:06

Wouldn't it be delicious if the May ministerial re-shuffle has AL exactky where she was before? Grin

Muddlingalongalone · 11/07/2016 21:06

I no virtually nothing about Trident but when they were talking about labour party having a free vote I assumed it was because they wouldn't back Corbyn anyway and it saved the humiliation of that in public and/or party politics getting in the way of the real world.
Maybe I'm just getting cynical about everything

Showmethewaytogohome · 11/07/2016 21:06

Best Flip and enochroot Left wing labour supporter since I could understand politics

My view is a strong centre/left labour party is the only way to oppose the awful situation we are facing. A major swing to the left will decimate support and mean we have no effective opposition thus leading us to years of unopposed rule. That ain't democracy for me oh and add the fact that we can not oppose the leader or have differing views scares the bejesus out of me)

Muddlingalongalone · 11/07/2016 21:07

*know Blush I can spell really

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 21:11

Do members of Unite, Unison, GMB, USDAW and CWU unions think Jeremy Corbyn should continue as Labour leader?

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InShockReally · 11/07/2016 21:13

My answer to every question at the moment

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BlowingThroughTheJasmineinMyMi · 11/07/2016 21:13

Banks, was head honcho of Leave.eu and one of his other mates, hypnotist Paul McKenna, gave advice on how to influence people with propaganda

Ah I see, thats why they all voted leave on the council estates! Makes sense now.

Unicornsarelovely · 11/07/2016 21:16

The situation with Corbyn seems very like the situation threatened by Arton Banks for the conservatives but without allowing for the fact that the conservatives are utterly ruthless and quite effective rather than dithery and argumentative - which us of course what you want in an opposition.

It's interesting that May has adopted some of Miliband's policies on boardroom pay and representation. It's being welcomed when she said it, when EM said it it was a move yo the hard left and practically communism.Confused.

I know the press attitude doesn't help JC but he doesn't even try to play the game, just expects everyone to fall into line behind him. That might work when you're dictator for life. It's not so effective when you're being s half assed opposition...

Showmethewaytogohome · 11/07/2016 21:24

But that's the thang...Jezza had bought into the whole dictator for life idea.

  • Galvanising the youth for your aims - tick
  • Take over the grass roots - tick
  • Use all at your disposal to refuse to step down (the supporters, democracy, threats to sue etc- tick

Onwards comrades to punish the dissenters with force!

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 21:25

Ah I see, thats why they all voted leave on the council estates! Makes sense now

Na not quite. It would only make a slight difference to those few undecided voters in the middle who were not sure which way to go. It is however, highly questionable practice and may well be outlawed in advertising standards which political campaigning is excluded from.

This thread is really about frustration and how there is far too much manipulation of the populous as a whole for political gain at our expense.

Its not much anti-elite. More anti-bullshit. I think its fair to say.

Please. Feel free to join in the conversation in a positive way.

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Unicornsarelovely · 11/07/2016 21:29

Jez has missed out the fundamental point of dictator for life though! Thd dictator has and wants power, not assuming it will follow from the control!

TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 21:33

I'm not sure business leaders are jumping for joy at TM's proposal, but I think they want certainty and calm more than anything, and possibly think she'll be tied up with brexit for a while so they can lobby to water it down.

InShockReally · 11/07/2016 21:34

One advert on its own won't have made a difference but you can be damn sure that the endless drip drip drip messaging in the media did, and it SHOULD be challenged. We all know this stuff goes on but no one's ever held accountable - we wouldn't let a yoghurt manufacturer get away with it, why major political parties?! We all know Murdoch is powerful, why have we collectively let him stay that way? There must be something we can all do surely?

The populist leave campaign (whether many leavers on Mumsnet like to admit it happened or or not) based a lot of their rhetoric on stirring deep emotions like "grasping immigrants are stealing our jobs and houses", not "we must do x y and z to secure the economy and revitalise deprived neighbourhoods after leaving the EU". The vaguest of vague promises they did made were backtracked on almost immediately. They're conniving fuckers who didn't expect to win, and should be held accountable for the dirty tactics they used.

flippinada · 11/07/2016 21:36

Showme could not agree more.

I'm rapidly becoming convinced that JC is less caring man of the people and more swivel - eyed ideologue.

He seems determined to cling on to power by any means possible.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2016 21:39

TM sounded surprisingly like a British Elizabeth Warren.
She nicked social market policies from Miliband / Hutton too.
Far from being Thatcher II, she seems to have repudiated all that HmmShock
Is it genuine ? She may have twigged that austerity just digs the economic hole deeper
However, I remember Cameron in his initial Hug a Husky phase

Well, she should have an excellent honeymoon period, with public & markets delighted we have a PM again, one with a firm grip.

Boris and Gove are the sort you keep away from sharp objects, so they don't harm themselves or others.
They really shouldn't be government ministers.

flippinada · 11/07/2016 21:41

BigChoc am now imagining Johnson and Gove trying to work out how to use a pair of safety scissors and getting increasingly frustrated.

Well, it made me smile Grin

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 21:42

Boris and Gove are the sort you keep away from sharp objects, so they don't harm themselves or others.
They really shouldn't be government ministers.

I don't know. How much harm can Boris do at Culture?

Second thoughts.
Don't answer that.

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TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 21:48
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BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2016 21:49

Shadow cabinet ministers complained that shadow cabinet meetings always started with JC reading from a (long) prepared speech.
He then ignored any questions they put to him
Read another prepared statement and left.

He disregarded the whole constituional convention of a PM / Opposition Leader being "First Among Equals"
Every leader and PM, even MrsT, had cabinet discussions.

I've generally found the extreme left and right surprisingly similar:

  • Belief in conspiracies by the elite, distrust of experts
  • Aim to create maximum disaster & chaos, so the people turn to them in desperation
  • Prioritise ideology over the welfare of the people
  • Infiltrate and take over mass organisations, bullying & threats
  • Attack Jews / Israel (I'm half-Arab, so I've especially noticed this and it doesn't earn my vote)

Look how Russia flipped from Communist to fascist so easily, as did Putin and other former KGB officers.

birdbandit · 11/07/2016 21:50

I am completely behind on the tread but as the catfromjapansaid said :

I am becoming increasingly infuriated about the energy that is still being put into building his personal support base at the expense of providing a credible Opposition. It's crazy."

I agree, but I don't believe JC gives a hoot about being an opposition right now, he seems to be determined first to destroy T Blair's legacy, to rid L of his influence and to remake labour as an opposition in his own image.

birdbandit · 11/07/2016 21:55

Are momentum behind the trolling if A Eagle on FB right now? Her campaign picture, about an hour ago, had 22k #votecorbyn replies.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 21:59

election-data.co.uk/poll-of-trade-union-members

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Showmethewaytogohome · 11/07/2016 21:59

I heard an awful version of JC's management style from a serving MP. Suffice to say he refused to communicate to them about matters that were personally extremely important. He can not manage apart from via dictate by his henchmen Diiiaaannnneeee and Maccy J et al. Someone who has no personal skills with the people who work for him can not be trusted to help us in times of crisis

I really think he goes to bed and dreams of the 1980's perfect socialist society. But he is incapable and unwilling to achieve anything less than his ideal. He can not and will not act like an adult let alone a statesman

birdbandit · 11/07/2016 22:01

He must be horrendous IRL if practically everyone he works with throws in the towel. It is very odd.