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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 18:51

THE BREXIT FALLOUT OUT CONTINUES - THREAD SEVEN!

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The Story So Far – Blue Corner
Johnson & Gove stabbed Cameron & Osborne. They then won a big vote about something or other. I forget the details. I’m not sure it matters anymore.

Johnson got then stabbed by Gove. Johnson joined Leadsom. Gove got stung by his mate Boles who was trying stab Leadsom, and he ended up getting stabbed by just about everyone.

Where We Are Now – Blue Corner
Out of the ashes of the mess that the posh boys made, emerged two unexpected contenders to become the Torchbearer for the Tories.

#Team May
The Home Secretary, and the former figure of hate, is now looking like she might be the choice of sanity and the one who might just be able to save us from ourselves. She is the choice of the left and centre. The left and centre now being anyone who thinks ‘The 1950s were very nice, but actually we’d prefer not to go back there. A return to the 1970s is far enough, thanks’.

She is supported by just about the entire mainstream media (which in itself is quite an achievement – The Sun and The Guardian being united in editorial opinion) and the majority of Conservative MPs. We don’t know this, but she quite possibly unites the Labour Party on the subject too.

#Team Leadsom
The Junior minister made good, and has outmanoeuvred all her superiors in the cabinet to throw her hat in the ring. The trouble is that she’s either somewhat naïve, a bit of an arsehole or a scheming liar. And that’s the charitable version.

She is emerging as the Sarah Palin of the UK, and has some dubious looking Tea Party links. In the era of post fact politics Project Fear is now Project Smear. Of course this makes her Mrs Umbridge, the poor apple pie lover, bullied by the political elite and media establishment, rather than a fruit cake.

BUT
Underestimate her appeal at your peril. She has a big field of unicorns somewhere that we’ve not been able to track down on googlemaps so far, and she is preparing to unleash them.

She is the choice of the Right. She is supported by much of the depths of twitter, Louise Mensch, UKIP, Arron Banks, BNP and Britain First.

Oh and that tax return? Hmm

Our future fate is to be decided by 150,000 Conservative Members (two thirds of whom are men and roughly 50% of whom are over sixty).

How we look back at David Cameron’s tweet on the 4th May 2015 with such fondness:
Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband.

Send me the link for the petition to ‘Come Back Dave, all is forgiven’. We have at least six weeks of this particular shower of shit to look forward to, before the next one hits.

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The Story So Far – Purple Corner
Many years ago, Nigel Farage founded the idea and started his one man campaign for the UK to leave the EU. (Except he didn’t. It was someone else’s idea. He just took over and took the credit for it). He became the poster boy for the Leave campaign, despite not being affiliated with it. He stood and claimed victory, without a shot fired.

As he said to the European Parliament with impeccable manners and good grace, ‘We aren’t laughing now’. To be fair to him, we weren’t. We were all shouting ‘FUCK OFF’ instead. After securing his £7000 pay rise as an MEP, he decided enough was enough, and it was time to ‘get his life back’ (he got sacked) and look for a career as a contestant on reality TV shows.

I hear Help I’m a Celeb have offered half a million for his services.

Where We Are Now – Purple Corner
Quicker than you can say, ‘Oh Thank God(win) for that’, we are already are starting to miss ‘Our Nige’, the cheeky chappy from next door. Instead the options are looking bleak, as candidates start to crawl out from under their rocks. The spectre of Arron Banks and his call to arms for ‘freedom’ lurks in the shadow.

For those of you unfamiliar with Mr Banks so far in this story, he’s one of UKIP’s biggest donors. He and his mate Andy Wigmore run an offshore insurance company out of Gibraltar. Banks, was head honcho of Leave.eu and one of his other mates, hypnotist Paul McKenna, gave advice on how to influence people with propaganda. Banks and Wigmore have some connections with Belize. Bank’s ex-wife was accused of being one of the KGB’s best agents. They are now divorced and she has a harassment order out on him. He does not like the ‘Uk elite’ and takes it personality.
Sounds like just the kind of guy, you’d love to move in as a neighbour.

This is the very definition of shit.

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The Story So Far – Red Corner
Once upon a time, there was a man named Blair. He waved a lot of flags said ‘Cool Britannia’ and smiled a lot. But Tony turned out to not be such a good ‘un. He didn’t play by the rules and got caught out. Blair was made to appear on national television to defend himself. He cried, and told us how he couldn’t sleep at night, but actually he did do the right thing and everyone is still wrong and we are all picking on him.

Does he need to go away and think about it for a while? Say, in a locked room for several years?

Where We Are Now – Red Corner
The WMD that Bliar lost in Iraq finally turned up in Labour HQ on 24th June. However, no one has been prepared to let off a controlled explosion yet. Apparently there is something of an aversion to Big Red Buttons (otherwise know to us simple folks as ‘Agreeing on Something’ and ‘Making Decisions’) within the party.

Corbyn, the champion of Momentum, has been carrying on as if nothing is happening, there is no problem and its everyone else is wrong, insisting that since he had a mandate from the people 10 months ago and it’s all still honky dory. He’s doing his job just fine and leading is well, a bit of an inconvenience to his rally schedule.

The Unions seem to have declared war on Tom Watson. His name has been added to the ever growing list of ‘traitors’.

Across the country action has been taken against these ‘traitors’. Normally this behaviour would be classed as ‘thuggery’ and ‘intimidation’. In post-fact Britain though, this is now acceptable, if it’s from the Left. Violence against Labour members is only disgusting if it is carried out by the right, you see.

Apparently, as the Momentum chief says, ‘winning’ is only a ‘small bit’ of democracy that matters to ‘political elites who want to keep power themselves’.

Obviously political gains that help and protect the interests of the working classes and poor are surplus to requirements. I guess their ultimate aim is to win no Labour seats at all then. Good stuff. We are headed in the right direction for that one.

Angela Eagle left her doorstep, and went on the telly after a week of refusing to make a decision to say ‘Ok I’m going to stand to remove a man who refuses to make decisions’. Apparently she is doing this to ‘Heal Labour’.

Someone break it to her, that if Labour gets its legs blown off by Corbynite, the chances of them healing, are somewhat remote.

To make matter worse, Corbyn disagrees with how you get on the ballot paper, and might not be it at this rate. Or it might end up in court. Like article 50.

Owen Smith is the other pretender to the Crown of Roses. We know who he is now. He’s err… He’s still welsh!

What do we reckon the chances of Labour surviving as one party are? Zero to none? This is more like wading through shit than a shower of it.

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The Story So Far – Yellow Corner
Tumbleweed

Where We Are Now – Yellow Corner
Everyone’s been praying for a ruddy miracle to end this torture and give the country an opposition party. Finally, Tim Farron, has awoken, removed his splinters from his arse, got off the fence in response to this. Amid growing rumblings of a complete political realignment and fleeing Labour and Conservative MPs, he says:

‘Hey folks, this political turmoil looks fun, can we join in too?!’

FACEPALM

No shit left to share.

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The consensus of opinion is that we might be a tiny teeny bit screwed.
Did someone mention the EU? EU? Oh fuck that, we’ve just about forgotten all that now!
Bigger fish to fry.
British ones of course.

We need really do need Gandalf to come save us from this madness.

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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flippinada · 11/07/2016 19:36

You can't expect JC to bother himself holding the government to account when he has back-slapping events with his loyal supporters to attend Red. Priorities, don't you know.

GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 19:36

cat It's a poor reason to have a GE, IMO. They want to use a GE to force something within their party that they couldn't do on their own because instead of being adults, they acted like spoiled children and pouted when JC was elected. Hmm I have mixed feelings about JC, but I'm pretty clear on how I feel about the MPs - they've been very unprofessional right from the start of this mess.

TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 19:39

The Telegraph has taken the fantasy Cabinet thing a bit too far suggesting:

Loathsome for Chancellor and Gove for Foreign Sec. Also suggest Crabb for Home Sec, conveniently forgetting he's on the naughty step.

One sensible suggestion is Sarah Wollaston for Health.

Other than that it is all a bit DT wet-dream stuff and probably not anywhere near what we'll get.

flippinada · 11/07/2016 19:40

Labour would be beyond stupid to push for a GE right now. They would be wiped out.

Although it may well be taken out of their hands, of course.

I'm sure it's been mentioned before but I'm reminded of the Chinese (?I think) curse "may you live in interesting times".

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 19:42

The other MPs have been unprofessional, but on the other hand if Corbyn really has been doing this much fuck all, for 10 months, and they've been carrying him I can kind of see why they might try and get rid of him. The trouble is they have screwed it up in such spectacular style its ridiculous.

Whilst I Corbyn has done wonder to engage people fed up with 'normal politics', normal politics still needs to run. At this point I am starting to think that his gravestone will read 'I'm still not resigning as leader of the Labour Party"

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Peregrina · 11/07/2016 19:43

Showmetheway - You may be right about the SWP, but don't they usually implode when any serious work needs to be done? Still, they could do a lot of damage whilst imploding.

What a mess. I don't rate Angela Eagle's chances, so I hope that the other bod steps up. Personally, I think that Corbyn could step down now with dignity, now that Chilcot has been published, and he's had his chance to damn Tony Blair and claim the moral high ground.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 19:49

News just in for Corbyn Watch

Mike Craven @Cravenma

Corbyn - no statement about new PM. Misses PLP. But does attend Cuba Solidarity event in support of regime which jails trade unionists

Important national issue that one.

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StillSmallVoiceOfQualms · 11/07/2016 19:49

Just in case we start to get too misty eyed over Teresa May:

www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-prime-minister-andrea-leadsom-policies-voting-record-human-rights-what-did-she-mean-a7130961.html

merrymouse · 11/07/2016 19:50

Ooh, I missed that Owen smith is standing!

flippinada · 11/07/2016 19:51

I don't think anyone in the PLP comes out of this very well. The attempted coup has been farcical but at the same time, I can understand why it happened.

Pure conjecture of course but I expect the referendum result was something akin to a last straw.

I think the longer JC hangs on, the more support he'll lose.

TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 19:52

Truly inspiring official Opposition leader, there. It's not like anything important to the people of your own country happened today or anything, is it?

But well found, Red!

flippinada · 11/07/2016 19:53

Corbyn - no statement about new PM. Misses PLP. But does attend Cuba Solidarity event in support of regime which jails trade unionists

FFS Angry

merrymouse · 11/07/2016 19:53

ooh, spoke too soon - it's an 'it has been reported that he has decided to stand', not properly standing yet.

Showmethewaytogohome · 11/07/2016 19:55

So I was right....he is like Fidel! Is he actually blinking? Can we get proof

TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 19:55

stillsmallvoice - I'm not at all misty-eyed, but she is the only person in Westminster who is doing anything*, so we're just going to have to make the best of it

*I'm not including talking to Cuban communists as 'doing something', for the avoidance of doubt

Floisme · 11/07/2016 19:58

Grin at Cuba solidarity.

I'm not in the know about how the PLP works but I don't entirely buy the spoilt children narrative. I assume you don't get to be in the shadow cabinet without being ambitious and yet they resigned, knowing full well there was every chance they would be deselected. They may not be saints but they sound more desperate than machiavellian.

thecatfromjapan · 11/07/2016 19:59

flippinada "I think the longer JC hangs on, the more support he'll lose."

Yes and no. He's already lost the support of many who actually work with him.

In the wider electorate, he's almost certainly going to lost support.

However, Momentum have been busy. A lot of Labour's new members have joined because they want to vote for Corbyn as leader, and for Mometum/Corbyn-friendly members of the NEC. At the moment, they tip the balance.

Only time will tell how much time would be required to tip that balance back again.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 19:59

Owen Smith isn't going to do an Angela Eagle on the door step thing is he?

facepalm

Dennis Skinner threatens Tom Watson with deselection at the PLP meeting apparently
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-mps-ready-leadership-fight-8400249

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Showmethewaytogohome · 11/07/2016 20:02

thecat completely agree. The grass roots is I think under siege by momentum's fringe hard left. The Labour Party has to address this now. It is patently being organised and is not organic

Showmethewaytogohome · 11/07/2016 20:04

There is an active campaign by Momentum to take over CLP's and push for deselection of 'rebel' MP's. Insanity. It is splitting the party at the core.

flippinada · 11/07/2016 20:05

thecat yes, I think that's a very astute analysis.

The short sighted pigheadedness of certain swathes of the LP membership in not looking beyond the end of their political noses (well, we like him) is immensely frustrating.

I wonder whether manoevurings are afoot to keep him off the ballot paper?

Who knows.

flippinada · 11/07/2016 20:07

Oh dear, please excuse typos. Doing several things at once.

Hasn't there been rumblings and disquiet about Momentum for a while?

merrymouse · 11/07/2016 20:09

without any picket lines to actually stand on, will people get bored of momentum and Cuban solidarity?

I suppose they have to have a leadership election now, but given the turn of events, will the PLP be wishing they had waited for JC to fizzle out?

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2016 20:10

"Labour would be beyond stupid to push for a GE right now"

So, obviously they'll demand one.
As required by the Fixed Parliament Act, Labour have over the requisite 35% of MPs in the HoC, if the PLP also joins the Turkeys for Christmas movement and the Tories want to shoot sitting ducks turkeys.

I'm sure pp got it right:
The Corbynistas want a GE to stop challenges to JC as leader.

Any other old gimmers who remember the old USSR MayDay military shows ? Hmm
They used to prop up their old leaders like Brezhnev - possibly several days after death - on the stage and a CP functionary would stand behind and wave Brezhnev's arm as the troops marched past !

Momentum still think JC is winning, because they don't measure success in terms of GE votes

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TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 20:11

The Trident vote is Tuesday next week. Renewing Trident is still officially Labour party policy, because they haven't yet changed it. Will be interesting to see how JC votes.

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