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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 18:51

THE BREXIT FALLOUT OUT CONTINUES - THREAD SEVEN!

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The Story So Far – Blue Corner
Johnson & Gove stabbed Cameron & Osborne. They then won a big vote about something or other. I forget the details. I’m not sure it matters anymore.

Johnson got then stabbed by Gove. Johnson joined Leadsom. Gove got stung by his mate Boles who was trying stab Leadsom, and he ended up getting stabbed by just about everyone.

Where We Are Now – Blue Corner
Out of the ashes of the mess that the posh boys made, emerged two unexpected contenders to become the Torchbearer for the Tories.

#Team May
The Home Secretary, and the former figure of hate, is now looking like she might be the choice of sanity and the one who might just be able to save us from ourselves. She is the choice of the left and centre. The left and centre now being anyone who thinks ‘The 1950s were very nice, but actually we’d prefer not to go back there. A return to the 1970s is far enough, thanks’.

She is supported by just about the entire mainstream media (which in itself is quite an achievement – The Sun and The Guardian being united in editorial opinion) and the majority of Conservative MPs. We don’t know this, but she quite possibly unites the Labour Party on the subject too.

#Team Leadsom
The Junior minister made good, and has outmanoeuvred all her superiors in the cabinet to throw her hat in the ring. The trouble is that she’s either somewhat naïve, a bit of an arsehole or a scheming liar. And that’s the charitable version.

She is emerging as the Sarah Palin of the UK, and has some dubious looking Tea Party links. In the era of post fact politics Project Fear is now Project Smear. Of course this makes her Mrs Umbridge, the poor apple pie lover, bullied by the political elite and media establishment, rather than a fruit cake.

BUT
Underestimate her appeal at your peril. She has a big field of unicorns somewhere that we’ve not been able to track down on googlemaps so far, and she is preparing to unleash them.

She is the choice of the Right. She is supported by much of the depths of twitter, Louise Mensch, UKIP, Arron Banks, BNP and Britain First.

Oh and that tax return? Hmm

Our future fate is to be decided by 150,000 Conservative Members (two thirds of whom are men and roughly 50% of whom are over sixty).

How we look back at David Cameron’s tweet on the 4th May 2015 with such fondness:
Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband.

Send me the link for the petition to ‘Come Back Dave, all is forgiven’. We have at least six weeks of this particular shower of shit to look forward to, before the next one hits.

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The Story So Far – Purple Corner
Many years ago, Nigel Farage founded the idea and started his one man campaign for the UK to leave the EU. (Except he didn’t. It was someone else’s idea. He just took over and took the credit for it). He became the poster boy for the Leave campaign, despite not being affiliated with it. He stood and claimed victory, without a shot fired.

As he said to the European Parliament with impeccable manners and good grace, ‘We aren’t laughing now’. To be fair to him, we weren’t. We were all shouting ‘FUCK OFF’ instead. After securing his £7000 pay rise as an MEP, he decided enough was enough, and it was time to ‘get his life back’ (he got sacked) and look for a career as a contestant on reality TV shows.

I hear Help I’m a Celeb have offered half a million for his services.

Where We Are Now – Purple Corner
Quicker than you can say, ‘Oh Thank God(win) for that’, we are already are starting to miss ‘Our Nige’, the cheeky chappy from next door. Instead the options are looking bleak, as candidates start to crawl out from under their rocks. The spectre of Arron Banks and his call to arms for ‘freedom’ lurks in the shadow.

For those of you unfamiliar with Mr Banks so far in this story, he’s one of UKIP’s biggest donors. He and his mate Andy Wigmore run an offshore insurance company out of Gibraltar. Banks, was head honcho of Leave.eu and one of his other mates, hypnotist Paul McKenna, gave advice on how to influence people with propaganda. Banks and Wigmore have some connections with Belize. Bank’s ex-wife was accused of being one of the KGB’s best agents. They are now divorced and she has a harassment order out on him. He does not like the ‘Uk elite’ and takes it personality.
Sounds like just the kind of guy, you’d love to move in as a neighbour.

This is the very definition of shit.

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The Story So Far – Red Corner
Once upon a time, there was a man named Blair. He waved a lot of flags said ‘Cool Britannia’ and smiled a lot. But Tony turned out to not be such a good ‘un. He didn’t play by the rules and got caught out. Blair was made to appear on national television to defend himself. He cried, and told us how he couldn’t sleep at night, but actually he did do the right thing and everyone is still wrong and we are all picking on him.

Does he need to go away and think about it for a while? Say, in a locked room for several years?

Where We Are Now – Red Corner
The WMD that Bliar lost in Iraq finally turned up in Labour HQ on 24th June. However, no one has been prepared to let off a controlled explosion yet. Apparently there is something of an aversion to Big Red Buttons (otherwise know to us simple folks as ‘Agreeing on Something’ and ‘Making Decisions’) within the party.

Corbyn, the champion of Momentum, has been carrying on as if nothing is happening, there is no problem and its everyone else is wrong, insisting that since he had a mandate from the people 10 months ago and it’s all still honky dory. He’s doing his job just fine and leading is well, a bit of an inconvenience to his rally schedule.

The Unions seem to have declared war on Tom Watson. His name has been added to the ever growing list of ‘traitors’.

Across the country action has been taken against these ‘traitors’. Normally this behaviour would be classed as ‘thuggery’ and ‘intimidation’. In post-fact Britain though, this is now acceptable, if it’s from the Left. Violence against Labour members is only disgusting if it is carried out by the right, you see.

Apparently, as the Momentum chief says, ‘winning’ is only a ‘small bit’ of democracy that matters to ‘political elites who want to keep power themselves’.

Obviously political gains that help and protect the interests of the working classes and poor are surplus to requirements. I guess their ultimate aim is to win no Labour seats at all then. Good stuff. We are headed in the right direction for that one.

Angela Eagle left her doorstep, and went on the telly after a week of refusing to make a decision to say ‘Ok I’m going to stand to remove a man who refuses to make decisions’. Apparently she is doing this to ‘Heal Labour’.

Someone break it to her, that if Labour gets its legs blown off by Corbynite, the chances of them healing, are somewhat remote.

To make matter worse, Corbyn disagrees with how you get on the ballot paper, and might not be it at this rate. Or it might end up in court. Like article 50.

Owen Smith is the other pretender to the Crown of Roses. We know who he is now. He’s err… He’s still welsh!

What do we reckon the chances of Labour surviving as one party are? Zero to none? This is more like wading through shit than a shower of it.

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The Story So Far – Yellow Corner
Tumbleweed

Where We Are Now – Yellow Corner
Everyone’s been praying for a ruddy miracle to end this torture and give the country an opposition party. Finally, Tim Farron, has awoken, removed his splinters from his arse, got off the fence in response to this. Amid growing rumblings of a complete political realignment and fleeing Labour and Conservative MPs, he says:

‘Hey folks, this political turmoil looks fun, can we join in too?!’

FACEPALM

No shit left to share.

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The consensus of opinion is that we might be a tiny teeny bit screwed.
Did someone mention the EU? EU? Oh fuck that, we’ve just about forgotten all that now!
Bigger fish to fry.
British ones of course.

We need really do need Gandalf to come save us from this madness.

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?
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GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 19:09

Bathroom oh I missed that about Gauke, sorry. That makes sense about Osborne, too.

thecatfromjapan · 11/07/2016 19:11

I think that one of the oddest things about Corbyn as leader of Labour is that you have to be signed up as a follower of Corbyn (rather than a Labour supporter, or even member,) to hear any news of what he's doing.

Of course, that can be dressed up as a. the result of a media black-out b. a desire to make politics far more grass-roots but, ultimately, who gains by deciding that Parliament is an irrelevance for a political party?

TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 19:11

Ginger I think Gauke is a placeholder, I don't think he'll be Chancellor.
I expect Chancellor to be someone known, and probably Hammond. He's fairly reliable and a bit of a steady hand, much like May.

Almost anyone would be better than Hunt at Health. Possibly not Nicky Morgan though!!

TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 19:14

(((Dan Hodges))) ‏@DPJHodges 3h3 hours ago
If the next election is Theresa May v Jeremy Corbyn there is no floor to Labour's vote share. 25%. 20%. Anything's possible.

Richard Gadsden ‏@po8crg 3h3 hours ago
@DPJHodges The last time people were talking about a party's voteshare not having a floor, the Lib Dems got 8%.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 19:14

Jo Cox's funeral announced for Friday. Small family only but the cortege will stop twice for the public.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/11/jo-cox-funeral-small-private-affair-family?CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1468258455

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GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 19:15

I think Gauke is a placeholder, I don't think he'll be Chancellor.

Oh, I agree with you on that. I just missed that he was attending the meeting. Hammond seems a good bet. Morgan is hated by far too many.

TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 19:17

Ah, I see ginger. It's all going too fast, isn't it? I need to go and throw some food at the kids and get back before someone else resigns or stands for something!!

GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 19:18

Tim Farron ‏@timfarron 2m2 minutes ago
New PM has set out no agenda, has no right to govern. British public must have their vote! www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/07/labour-lib-dems-and-greens-call-snap-election-could-it-happen


Okay, I'm getting annoyed at Tim Farron now. He's purely reactionary. He just seems to sit back, wait for things to fall spectacularly apart, then rail against it and demand action after the fact.

That's not really what I'm looking for in a leader.

KatieHopkinsAteMyHamster99 · 11/07/2016 19:19

Corbyn is more like the mother in Psycho if you ask me. With less charisma.
The Momentum bots clearly have him locked up in the cellar. Never mind media bias, the best he can can come up with on Twitter is that Diane has read a report on NHS waiting times. You couldn't make it up.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 19:19

Jim Waterson ‏@jimwaterson
John Mann MP delivers his verdict on the PLP meeting: "Emily Thornberry's just prattling on. I've escaped."

Its not just a car crash. Its a 60 car pile up on the motorway.

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Peregrina · 11/07/2016 19:24

I think if TM went to the country now she would walk it, with an increased majority. If she delays, who knows?

As for Labour/Corbyn: DB found, rather to his surprise, that as a Unite member he was entitled to vote and voted for Corbyn. He's certainly no fan of Socialist Workers but wanted something more like social democracy. It was either Corbyn or the Blairites, who are Tory Lite as far as he is concerned. I wonder how many are like him. IMO the SWP makes a lot of noise, but don't win over all that many people.

flippinada · 11/07/2016 19:24

Ah no Bathroom , at the opposite end of the country unfortunately.

thecatfromjapan · 11/07/2016 19:25

It really can't be stressed enough that the team behind Corbyn really, really don't care about losing any GE.

I don't know how far this knowledge has spread. I am still meeting people who think that the anxiety around having Corbyn as leader is based on aversion to his left wing politics and a misapprehension as to his popularity.

I am becoming increasingly infuriated about the energy that is still being put into building his personal support base at the expense of providing a credible Opposition. It's crazy.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 19:26

labourlist.org/2016/07/jon-ashworth-theresa-may-cannot-escape-the-fact-she-has-been-the-heart-of-this-failing-tory-government/

Comment from Jonathan Ashworth MP, Shadow Minister without Portfolio.

Is it me, or wasn't this the statement that Corbyn should have been making?

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Showmethewaytogohome · 11/07/2016 19:27

Peregina Whilst I would have agreed with you re SWP a few years ago. Through momentum they seems to have found a way back in. Influencing angry Lefties who think Corbyn is some sort of second coming (I speak as an angry lefty who doesn't think anyone in of themselves is a solution to all ills) My main issues with momentum is that they are naive and are allowing a one man policy and letting hard core SWP activists influence them

GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 19:28

People are still banging on about a GE. Labour, UKIP, Green are all ill prepared for a GE in the near future. WHY are they pushing it???

TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 19:28

Is JC at this PLP meeting? Would a leader of the party usually be expected to be there?

Those are genuine questions, by the way, I'd like to know what would happen if the party wasn't eating itself.

thecatfromjapan · 11/07/2016 19:29

Yes, Red. And it was, I think, Yvette Cooper who made noises about the need for a cross-party Brexit group after the result. I think Corbyn has finally said that this week but you might have missed it so late did it come and being so much less important than the Durham talk

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 19:30

Buzzfeed have raised the important issue of whether Larry will Leave or Remain

Finally: What happens to Larry, the Number 10 cat?
Larry, Number 10’s cat, is a pet of the civil servants working in the office rather than the personal pet of the prime minister and his family. His food is bought out of a kitty funded voluntarily by the people working in Downing Street.

As such, BuzzFeed News understands Larry is not expected to move out of Number 10 with the Camerons – though this does not guarantee he will remain there.

Larry moved into Number 10 in 2011, meaning he has now outlasted the leaders of every major political party – the Conservatives, Labour, the Liberal Democrats, UKIP, the Greens, the SNP, and Plaid Cymru.

There is no word yet on Larry’s official role as chief mouser to the Cabinet Office.

www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/andrea-leadsom-withdraws-theresa-may-set-for-leadership-what?utm_term=.tm5YqamKZ#.xbqzvkWy8

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TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 19:31

Theresa Villiers says she wants to stay on. If she has good relations with NI politicians, I'd say keep her, if not she might as well be replaced.

flippinada · 11/07/2016 19:32

Grin at KatieHopkins - I think you may not be far off the truth, there.

thecatfromjapan · 11/07/2016 19:34

GingerIvy, can't speak for the others but Corbynites (hello Paul Mason) are pushing for a GE because it scuppers any attempts on The Great Leader and will probably secure his position forever - and losing a GE matters less than securing that position. Securing the Corbyn leadership isn't just about JC, it's also about ability to make long-term changes with the Labour Party that mean it will be organisationally harder to keep another JC at the fringes.

Floisme · 11/07/2016 19:35

I don't suppose Corbyn would resign if we lost a general election, would he?

Thought not.

BestIsWest · 11/07/2016 19:36

Just catching up with today's thread.

09:19 RedToothbrush
'At 4.30 there is a debate on a petition about school absence and fines, but nothing else much on today by the look of it.'

Grin