Teresa May or Andrea Leadsom?

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So without starting anything too politically fraught I wonder if people would share with me who they prefer for conservative leadership out of the two.

The race is now down to them and so we will have a female PM again!

Opinions?

Oh no, it was very clear, vote in or out of the EU and we chose out

We've got basically two options:

1. EEA/EFTA trade agreement in which we have to implement EU leglislation despite having no say in it; we still pay a substantial sum to the EU; we have free trade; in return for the single market we will have to accept freedom of movement for EU migrants (as well as goods, capital and services).

In short, to become 'law-takers rather than law-makers'.

2. Trade according to WTO rules (in other words tariffs on goods) until we renegotiate all our world trade deals. Goods tariffs range from the average 2% up to 10% on car exports.

The UK would lose the preferential access to other markets covered by 36 trade agreements with 58 countries negotiated by the EU. To remain compliant with WTO rules the UK would impose higher 'most favoured nation' tariffs on imports from those 58 countries, while they would have to levy their own surcharges on British exports.

Analysis calculates the cost of the additional tariffs on goods imports to British consumers at £9bn, while British merchandise exports would be subject to a further £5.5bn in tariffs at their destination.

Which did you vote out for?

Theresa May by all the country miles.

Leadsom is probably worse than Gove.

Who is 'we'? What are 'we' negotiating? With what? With whom? For what? What exactly do you want to achieve?

Who do you think we is? The UK!!

The UK will now have a mammoth negotiating task on its hands and as cameron said - there are red lines, such as freedom of movement .
There are red lines and points which cannot be compromised, we will have to work round those and see what we get.

Manon Didn't we vote for unlimited unicorns?

Would Leadsom wear this?

With everything going the wrong way round, probably best we all get behind Leadsom

elements that was a promise that was just a possibility

Dang you to heck with your Negative Thinking, Strictly!

The only positive of Brexit so far - first female pm in 25 (really?) + years!
May definitely but a bit of a Hobson's choice really.

Who do you think we is? The UK!!

There are red lines and points which cannot be compromised, we will have to work round those and see what we get

And you wonder why people think Brexiters didn't really grasp the complexities of the issues.

Leadsom, as Theresa May winds me up, I can't stand her and she voted remain. She reminds me of wil o the wisp, or skeletor.

FFS! Are people going to vote for our next PM, the person who's going to negotiate us out of the EU and try to save our country based on this kind of rationale? No wonder the UK has become a laughing stock.

It's one of my favourite lines from this drama. Dd did an entire but muuuuumm you said you would spiel so I told her it was a promise that was just a possibility. She was a bit , largely because she's 5 and has no clue what I was going on about but I was highly amused. I'm going to stick with it now.

People didn't vote for Ed Miliband because he ate a bacon sandwich "unattractively" so I think we've been at "ludicrously shallow" levels as a nation for a little while now.

there are red lines, such as freedom of movement .

Yes. What are you willing to give up for that - Is it non-negotiable? Will you give up our economy, or our finance sector in London. Because I hear France is very keen on stepping into our shoes there.

And you wonder why people think Brexiters didn't really grasp the complexities of the issues

I guess your average family at the time of the FR didn't really grasp all the complexities of the issues. They just knew something wasn't quite right with their King and his cronies. I suppose you think France would still be better off if they had a king who thought he belonged there by divine right?

The point being - some people who voted leave had intimate grasp of all the complex issues, some didn't. You will find the same on both sides of the vote. The side that won, was the side that felt - something was not right at the top. The top being the EU.

there are red lines, such as freedom of movement
There are red lines and points which cannot be compromised

I fear you're in for a disappointment.

Leadsom scares the crap out of me with her "embellished" city experience (just heard on Newsnight that she was actually only authorised to handle funds for 3 months), total disdain for workers' rights (goodbye maternity rights!) and (how can I put this mildly) discomfort with same-sex marriage. She's trigger-happy and seems better at talking the talk than walking the walk. Unfortunately, I believe she'll enjoy more support amongst the membership who are probably feeling pretty energised right now because she's right-wing, anti-immigrants, anti-women's rights and anti-gay rights.

On the plus side, I'm pretty sure none of them stuck their penis into a dead pig's face.

Didn't we vote for unlimited unicorns?

I think we did.

Are you going to answer my post? RockandRollSuicide

What are you willing to give up for that - Is it non-negotiable? Will you give up our economy, or our finance sector in London. Because I hear France is very keen on stepping into our shoes there

Immigration has been the hot political topic since Blair. There is simply no way any party in power is going to renegade on FM.

Its up to the people who trade with us, to decide how important that is to them.

Manon I didn't see the request I answer your post.

I really dislike posters who demand others respond. If I had seen this demand I can assure you I would not have responded

BTW if you had issues with this, I suggest you write to your MP because its Camerons last address to the EU and its the message, clear and loud our future leaders are going to frame any future debates with.

Oh dear. In the much quoted words of Bill Clinton 'it's the economy, stupid'. There is simply no way any party is going to place free movement above trade deals on the priority list.

I'm not quite sure it's as simple as that, Rock.

Would you give up the single market/London finance centre, and with it our economy, for a stop to free movement. What sort of a country will we see then - and you know it's not just London that will be affected. Places like Nissan in Sunderland will go too.

Yes, and what squoosh said.

Theresa May seems better equipped (more experience).

Although, I wouldn't say that the women are taking over, as someone said earlier. Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are neck and neck, and Clinton's latest legal dramas are sure to affect her credibility in the eyes of voters. And I, personally, wouldn't be surprised if Merkel finds herself ousted at the next German federal election.

O rly? RockandRollSuicide Well I dislike posters who talk shit and can't defend it. I also take a dim view of those who voted leave without the faintest idea what they were voting for. Funny old world innit.