Should we guarantee the rights of eu citzens to remain unilaterally

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I think we should. They came here with the belief that they could live here.

I suppose the argument is that Spain and France may not show compassion to British citizens who have emigrated. Certainly Spain may well be tempted to use it as leverage to gain sovernity of Gibraltar. I think the chances of the French being vindictive is less.

If Scotland leaves the uk and joins the EU could there be an arrangement where ex pats become Scottish citizens? (Even if they are 100% English or Welsh) in the event of British citizens being sent back?

who is going to teach in all these new private schools? if everyone needs to have much more than a teachers salary in order to be of any value here?

It's a neat win-win scenario, isn't it ? If you're not rich enough to afford private education, you're a parasite on Brave New Britain. If you do send your kids to private school, you're one of those loathsome elites who aren't like Real People and shouldn't be allowed in Brave New Britain.

yes Elements, but WHO just who is working in these elite but now compulsary schools?
I really want to know how that works?

One of the problems here is that many people are using economic arguments and these are irrelevant to the way many people voted.
I, like many other people, want to feel a sense of belonging to a place, a shared set of values, a community. I want to feel comfortable and at ease where I live.
I now feel ill at ease because many of the people around me, in my small town, are no longer like me. The voices I hear around me in the shops are no longer familiar. I do not identify with my neighbours. There is no longer a sense of "we" and "our".
I accept that our economy may suffer with Brexit. I accept that our GDP may shrink. But I want to feel that this country is "ours" again. I want our Government to make "our" laws and our Courts to uphold them.
I do not want to be governed by none elected people in Brussels.
Our democracy is important to me. More important than your right to work in another European country. More important that Europeans' right to work or live here.
I do not care about the single market. It has little bearing on my everyday life. If I have to pay more for goods, then so be it.
What is most important is the sense of belonging, of community; a sense of "we". And that is what is being destroyed by high levels of immigration from Eastern Europe. And this is why we now have a "them" and "us" in many areas of the country.
I spend a lot of time in London. I have kids and friends who work in the City. It is different there. Most people have moved to London for work. Hardly anybody was originally from London. London is younger and more diverse. So immigration is normal. It's hardly noticed.
But in smaller towns and poorer areas it is destroying the very important sense of belonging.

Just as an alternative point, I've known a number of Brits that have moved to European countries under EU free movement rules and have utterly taken the piss of those countries' welfare systems.

One of those people was my sister-in-law who managed to blag Spanish dole for eight months after working in a Spanish tourist resort, despite not speaking Spanish and living in a Spanish city where she had no hope of employment.

Well, should we all just kick angelos02 out, that would be a good idea. I feel like kicking someone out today.

And don't worry, Angelos... my British DH and me (dual nationality, one of them British) can perfectly afford private school. And we also don't use the NHS either.

Happy Days for you.

Blimey there's some serious bullshit posted on this thread, some of very Nigel Farage-esque. "faster breeding migrants" WTAF? People seriously get upset about other people talking different languages around them?

The voices I hear around me in the shops are no longer familiar

did the fuckers make Woolies and Tammy girl shut
fucking immigrants.. I want my Woolies pick'a'mix back - Brexit should do that right?

I'm not that bothered by some EU immigrants who earn a reasonable salary and pay taxes but it is the sheer numbers and it seems infinite with no limits. It's a shame the EU could not have used the money from the richer EU countries to improve infrastructure in the poorer Eastern countries and build social housing and generate business there rather than our small island becoming more and more crowded.

Also the EU is a gateway to migrants from non EU countries.

Welcome to the Twilight zone, Birdandsparrow.

OR shall we call it "Brave New Britain"?

Cameron calling people a swarm and Nigel's nazi poster help this idea of Britain being overrun by hordes of scrounging beggars but, as with everything it is so much more complex and most of the problems associated with immigration are things the government has failed to deal with:
school places, the fact that the government won't allow new schools to be built unless they are academies
Austerity affecting health services
Government policies encouraging low wages and zero hour contracts.
This is interesting for anyone who can see past the fog of low level racism.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/is-britain-really-full-up-we-put-the-most-common-assumptions-about-immigration-to-an-expert-10427400.html

All that leave voters want is a points system. And no amnesty. Not asking for much.

I agree with angelos

Adulting, who said anything about Woolies.
If you don't agree with another's point of view, your response seems to be to mock it or belittle it.
Both are a sign that you have no constructive points to make.
It's like throwing your dummy out of the pram.

Well, do tell what you mean when you say that people in your town are "no longer like you" and you don't "identify with your neighbours". Do they have extra legs perhaps, or they live in nests constructed of woven leaves?

DH & I are both British born, no children as we only earn £70k between us so obviously can't afford them. And no, I'm not being sarcastic.

I think most mumsnetters have given up on this thread going anywhere so you can probably say whatever you like, trying and angelo, and won't be challenged.

What is there to say to people who don't want foreigners around them?

Incidentally,

''Xenophobia is the fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange.[1][2]Xenophobia can manifest itself in many ways involving the relations and perceptions of an ingroup towards an outgroup, including a fear of losing identity, suspicion of its activities, aggression and desire to eliminate its presence to secure a presumed purity.''

Yes, they should stay, unilaterally.
I voted out. I'm not xenophobic.

I would like a global point system in future, talented, hardworking people from anywhere who want to be part of British society welcome.

Yup. Let's educate & provide free healthcare for children of parents that don't even earn enough to pay enough tax to fund it. A plan without a flaw.

Trying's statement is a load of guff. An appeal to emotion, almost resonant of "England your England" by Orwell, but without his criticism.

Brexit won't stop immigration, currently net non EU immigration is 188,000.

EU immigration won't stop, even outside of the single market.

Anyone thinking otherwise is a dullard.

I don't think it is fair to 'backdate' the system, if you are here at the point the uk leaves the Euro, you can stay, anyone wanting to come after that applies like everyone else.

Eu not euro! Stupid iPad!

See, angelos02... now you are arguing with a Leave voter. And you previously indicated you speak for all Leave voters.

What do you think makes you entitled to be in England?!? What makes you better?? Because a few centuries ago, your ancestors rocked up its shores on a boat?!? What have you achieved in your life?

Oh, yes... nothing.

You're such a hypocrite.