Any Remainers feeling positive about chances of staying in EU - even a little bit?

[EdieParfitt]

Anyone?

I'm hoping that Mishcon de Reya's legal challenge that a parliamentary debate and vote on the Referendum is required before Article 50 is invoked will kick start a a remain fight back.

I love Ken Clarke - "fiasco" - indeed so. If only all politicians were as secure in their positions as he is, and able to do the right thing.

Okayyy, I have a cunning plan.

But It involves...don't groan...boris.

Boris stands up and says the entire campaign was illegitimate...

Get out clause found.

Nation = happy

Boris = zero to hero

Stranger things have happened!

Not bad :)

How can we Brexit 'really quickly' so as to avoid uncertainty? Surely there have to be meaningful discussions and agreements about how institutions/industries that rely heavily on EU funding (eg. scientific research/farming subsidies) will not be heavily disadvantaged by an exit. The repercussions of removing huge amounts of university funding etc. would be very detrimental. We need a very firm plan before invoking Article 50, surely? How long will that take?

Thanks bobo!

Who's gonna tell boris?

Do we know who the clients are?

I worry that idiots will fling things at the offices or staff (worked in the city for years and this became a charming may day tradition, even for lowly drones such as myself).

Helmet, anything could happen at the moment - everything has gone bonkers. I like this idea - I'm basically proceeding on the hope/belief that the Leave campaign will be invalidated one way or another - this way, Boris could claw a shred of integrity by being the whistleblower, but it would finish his career anyway surely? So I can't see him taking the fall...

I'm planning to write to his brother Jo about university fees for UK nationals living in EU countries post-Brexit so maybe I can do a PS please tell Boris...

Helmet the nation wouldn't 'be happy' though. 17million wouldn't in fact.

Not the same obviously but loonies always put up a legal challenge to irish moral referenda, the marriage equality had a fair few last year. They never hold up. It is a pretty high legal bar to overrule the will of the people from what I can see.

Mark Carney for PM, he is the only one I trust!

There are many good reasons for politicians to adopt right now a "we must heed the outcome of the referendum" stance.

There are many good reasons for the UK not to leave the EU, something which is not due to happen for a while.

Many negotiations between many parties (including, in all probability, a GE) will take place in the intervening period.

Who knows what will actually happen? The final word on Brexit has not been spoken.

Bobo I sincerely hope you are right.

Numberoneisgone, this referendum isn't binding at all- legally it could just be ignored (obv this would be politically difficult).

My money is on something like 5 economic tests.

FTSE100 and 250 are slipping again. Aviva, M&G and Standard Life are preventing people from withdrawing money.

No, still not feeling too optimistic, to be honest.

Piglet, can't we swap the 17 mil or use them as bargaining chips?

But seriously there should be no round this. It has to be accepted- modified as far as we can- but accepted. Otherwise, it amounts to what George monbiot wrote: graduates telling non graduates 'we reject your democratic choice' and that is an even more dangerous path than the one we're on.

It would be interesting what the results might have been if EU nationals who are residents of Britain had been allowed vote.

It is a glaring flaw in the EU system that unless you take citizenship you cannot vote in your country of residency and after 15 years also cannot vote in your home country.

I think it is the referendum which has been a travesty of democracy. At the very least it now has to be debated in parliament IMO.

www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/brexit-democratic-failure-for-uk-by-kenneth-rogoff-2016-06

Good point tangerino

The problem with attempting any kind of 'compromise' or back track will be the Murdoch press. Can you imagine the headlines in the sun or the daily mail? 😤

Murdoch is the one who should be held responsible here. Can we take him to court please? I really don't understand how one man (an Australian) can be allowed to spread so much hatred and division without be held to account.

Blaming Murdoch is overly simplistic- the Times was pro-remain- the Sun was all over the place before going brexit. People need to take responsibility for their own vote.

I think the economy is being damaged more by the uncertainty the politicians are causing than by the result.

I hope Cameron's reputation is forever tarnished by this debacle. Knobhead that he is, he should be thoroughly ashamed. Sadly the one thing a posh education seems to give is an unshakeable sense of self-confidence so I doubt he will ever feel shame for what he has done

Most of the 17 million who wouldn't be happy about us ignoring the referendum will be even less happy in a couple of years when they have less jobs, money and public services. Most of them will be saying "why didn't you tell us?' There is going to be civil unrest no matter what we do. I think we should ignore the referendum results and deal with the fallout now.

Most of the 17 million who wouldn't be happy about us ignoring the referendum will be even less happy in a couple of years when they have less jobs, money and public services

I don't actually agree. I think in some of the poorest areas with high unemployment and bad services they don't feel that there is actually much less that they can have.

They feel disenfranchised and ignoring them will make them feel even more so.