The Westministenders Hunger Games continues. Boris still trying not to be outmanoevered.

[RedToothBrush]

Clearly Boris didn't get the memo, on when to quit the power games, even after Gove schooled him in the dark arts of the Tory Leadership....

So the Tory Smackdown rolls on whilst Corbyn STILL clings on. UKIP has now entered the race to make a challenge for who can make the biggest leadership contest shambles.

In The Blue Corner
May strikes fear into the hearts of EU citizens as she counts her bargaining chips.
Gove strikes fear into the hearts of humans, with his Martian twitch.
Loathsom strikes fear in the hearts of Britains by talking about babies brains.
Crabb strikes fear into the hearts of Torys by suggesting a plan that Corbyn might like. (and that beard doesn't help).
And Fox.
Well he just turned up.

Johnson is still waiting in the wings to stab Gove. He'd quite fancy a seat at the cabinet table too.
Osborne has gone quite again and we wait with baited breathe to see if he is the 'Charlie off Casualty' of the Tory Party (y'know whatever happens he somehow survives like a cockroach).

In The Red Corner
Corbyn apologies. So we know he's getting a bit desperate.
Will the Unions figure out something else to do other than sit with their head in hands.
Angela Eagle is still doing jellyfish impressions and hasn't found that backbone.
We STILL don't know who the fuck Owen Smith is?
Will Bliar's chicken's finally come home to roost?
The Cult of Momentum, rumbles on. We aren't quite sure who they actually vote for, but they seem to like their Dear Leader.
When will this country next have an opposition party?

Its kinda getting boring guys, we need some action now. End the Chicken Coup! The Tories are definitely out doing in the high drama stakes.

In the Purple Corner
Farage has gone! Hurrah. We hope only that he stays under that rock.
(Don't count on it. They'll wheel him out when they need publicity)
Will Leadsom be elected leader? Oh sorry, wrong party. I was getting confused for a second there.
Will they throw the cuckoo Carswell out? [:)]
Will they be able to find a less offensive leader than Farage who can unite them in their common goal of errrr..... yeah. That.
How long before one of their candidates has to apologise for something?

And I suppose I should ask, when will a50 be triggered....? And by whom?

All these questions and more.
Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1 Previous thread 1

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2672388-Has-Boris-been-outmanoevered-Will-someone-please-tell-me-who-is-in-charge Previous thread 2

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/a2673982-Have-Boris-and-Jeremy-been-stabbed-in-the-back-Please-can-we-have-some-leaders Previous thread 3

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2675432-Boris-outmaneovered-Et-tu-Gove-Corbyn-The-Westministenders-Hunger-Games-Continues? Previous thread 4

I guess that if you divide people and make them more suspicious of each other then they are easier to control. And control = money and power.

That was a response to RedToothBrush.

Just a thought.
If they destroy the economy what happened to the educated and the liberal?
They leave. This makes it easier to go unchallenged.

Lib Dem leader: 'Blair trying to rewrite inquiry in his own words'
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.@timfarron : Blair is trying to "rewrite the Chilcot Inquiry in his own words"
3:35 PM - 6 Jul 2016

We don't have to tell the financial services sector to fuck off.

We just don't need to arrange every tiny thing about our governance with nothing in mind but their comfort.

There are other considerations. Other things (people) that matter.

Might do us good to remember that.

The panic over the possibility of financial services not dwarfing everything else in our crappy economy is nauseating.

By that reckoning the US tells them to fuck off all the time.

Won't our lax regulations and extensive network of tax havens continue to help us?

Presumably now that we've given up our financial services commissioner, the EU will move ahead on the things we've been blocking, and we can still carry on laundring money from third and developing world dictators and looters?

That's what we compete on anyway.

It does all make me very depressed. And whilst I have some hope I do wonder at what point you get on the sensible ship that has sailed.

Tim Farron is totally right. I watch the whole two hour Blair spectacle.

I can't say its done much good for my mood.

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/06/jeremy-hunt-to-impose-new-contract-on-junior-doctors?CMP=twt_gu
Busy news day? Lets impose that junior doctor contract today then.

The idea that the EU is or was the saviour of our financial services sector is a complete fallacy. The UK has already had to take the ECB to the ECJ to stop them insisting that all Euro denominated transactions be cleared through the Euro area. I haven't studied the judgement but the reporting suggests the ECB failed because they did not have sufficient delegated power. Closer Eurozone integration is a necessity and so would lead to more transfer of powers to the ECB. Other jurisdictions do not behave in this anti competitive manner and use London as the centre for international clearing. There is now some hope that the EU will be less able to seek to dictate terms re financial markets now they will be one of many outsiders dealing with the London market.

Rational people behaving stupidly
www.buzzfeed.com/emilyashton/tony-blair-took-a-swipe-at-anti-war-protesters-in-a-note-to?utm_term=.ra1ky6j3o#.hdqy9YgXP

GingerIvy has also been valiantly posting 'buried bad news' stories. so, good work, GingerIvy and Red, with your mission to inform.

DoinIt I notice the article you linked to concludes with the wish that there should be time taken to "[improve the] understanding of the issues among the British people" - alas, that is, I feel, as unlikely as it is necessary. I'm seeing no signs of it happening at the moment, and I cannot think of anything more necessary.

And yet another petition starting.

Ex-Tory party chairman calls for leadership process to be shortened
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I cant watch Blair, I just cant. Vile vile vile man.
How he can square his action with his 'Faith' is beyond me.

'There’s a melancholy aspect to all this' - former US official

Tara McKelvey
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“There’s a melancholy aspect to all this,” said Daniel Benjamin, a former state department counter-terrorism coordinator under the Obama administration. “Tony Blair was one of the UK’s finest prime ministers, but I guess he put too much priority on maintaining a close relationship with the US – and not enough on maintaining independent judgement.”

“The Chilcot report confirms most Americans’ understanding of what went wrong and suggests the British government – like their own - didn’t do due diligence. The Bush administration was determined to go to war. For the British government, it’s much the same.”

“It adds another level of confirmation of what we already know about the Bush administration’s rush to war and the shoddy job that was done in evaluating the true situation in Iraq. It’s more of an exercise to assess culpability.”

Daily I couldn't watch it. I knew I'd just be raging afterwards, so figured I'd just read the highlights and save myself some heartburn.

Wait a minute! Blair has had this report for MONTHS?? So he's had that long to "get his story straight" for the media?!?!

Salmond: 'Injustice for families continues'
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SNP's Alex Salmond: 'Injustice for families continues'
Alex Salmond has said access to the Chilcot Report is a further injustice to the families of the 179 service personnel who died following the UK's decision to join in the US-led 2003 invasion of Iraq. The SNP's foreign affairs spokesman in Westminster said that while families have had sight of the report for the first time on Wednesday morning, former prime minister Tony Blair has seen the report for months. Sir John Chilcot's 12-volume report has examined the run-up to the invasion of Iraq and its aftermath. Mr Salmond said he had worked out that to read the entire 2.5 million-word report in the allocated time, would require a reading speed of 14,000 words per minute.

^www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/we-are-set-to-repeat-the-mistakes-we-made-in-iraq-by-leaving-the-eu-a7123301.html^

Yeah he's had months to perfect the 'I can't sleep at night' performance.

I'm not raging. More just heartbroken. All over again. Like Brexit.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/we-are-set-to-repeat-the-mistakes-we-made-in-iraq-by-leaving-the-eu-a7123301.html

even

www.thenational.scot/comment/cat-boyd-may-leadsom-eagle-a-feminist-revolution-no-feminists-dont-make-other-womens-lives-harder.19583

Interesting, but no way can I see AE as Labour leader.

Yesterday it was announced that junior doctors had voted against the contract.

Yes. I made a comment about this on another thread. It seems that the Govt can pick and choose whether they have democracy or not. Hunt decided that although he had no mandate for the change he was going ahead anyway. (I do have something of a vested interest in this. I have a niece who is a junior doctor - there is a strong chance that she will move to Australia.)

We should take EEA at least in the short term. Then sit and wait. It's cheaper and we lose some regulation in the right areas. I expect in the next 2 years the free movement discussion will be back on the table as the richer countries get more right wing voter pressure. I voted remain.

Wait a minute! Blair has had this report for MONTHS?? So he's had that long to "get his story straight" for the media?!?!

Anyone criticised in it got access in advance so they could respond (I'm not sure if it was anyone named in any way, but certainly those criticised)

Ginger that article is so depressing because it completely echoes my views on so many female politicians and I agree the idea of AE as Leader of the LP is surely as beyond belief as her credibility.

howabout How can the Eurozone work without closer cooperation (thinking of Italian banking crisis)? What impact does Eurozone crises have on countries that are in the EU (like GB and Denmark) but not in the Eurozone? (Looking for some financial education…)

I wonder how many voted Brexit purely in disgust at TB and his interjections. It has been a very long time since I have been able to stomach watching him even to disagree.