"Nobody necessarily stays anywhere forever"

[DorothyL]

Says Teresa May

Words cannot describe the RAGE I feel at this fucking government. My children would really quite like me to stay!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not in the UK.

Sorry, I mis-understood your post

What is the criteria for citizenship / permanent residency where you are?

There seems to be a concerted effort to big up every possible problem, stoke every possible fear. I assume this is because people are cross that they didn't get their way, but also, if they can create enough doubt and fear then perhaps the referendum can be some how nullified.

I make no apologies for being cross or for bigging up the situation of EU nationals in the UK or UK citizens in the EU, currently in limbo while being used as a political football and bargaining chip.

It is the politicians that brought us here that are creating doubt and fear not those who are victims of their game gone wrong. People are genuinely frightened and really need reassurance rather than the political posturing of those trying to bag the keys to No. 10

Exactly FarAway

"There seems to be a concerted effort to big up every possible problem, stoke every possible fear. I assume this is because people are cross that they didn't get their way, but also, if they can create enough doubt and fear then perhaps the referendum can be some how nullified."

Ah, nice the Brexit denial saga continues. way to go.

I have asked elsewhere but is there or might there be a civil society organisation to promote and protect the rights of 3 mil emu citizens in the UK? Together we are stronger. We need advocacy, a pressure group ideally with some people with experience of law or international law. how does one get something like this going?

*EU citizens

What is the criteria for citizenship / permanent residency where you are?

There's a few. Most are easy enough eg prove identity, no serial killers etc. I fall foul of the residency requirement. I've been here for 10 years but only for a year and a half in terms of citizenship rules. Turns out that if you're away for more than 6 weeks then the clock is reset. I spent 2 months back in the UK in 2014 sorting stuff out when my dad died. Similar in 2010 when my sister got sick and passed away.

I would like to think that using people as political footballs and economic bargaining chips might be the sort of thing that generally attracts revulsion, regardless of how much "better off" (some of them) appear to be . If some of the people being used as said political footballs express a modicum of dismay on a talkboard, I don't see how that is at all improper, let alone "bigging up problems" or "moaning because they lost" as if it was just a round of fucking tiddlywinks. Yes, even if they're "well off".

I agree with those saying that it is unlikely EU citizens in the UK who have lived here for some time before brexit will be kicked out as such but that their rights as citizens might be severely cut to make it much less attractive for them to stay. It would be chucking us out by stealth.

Labour have got their shit together enough to actually act like an opposition on this matter.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/05/theresa-may-clarify-stance-eu-citizens-right-to-remain-uk-brexit

Good man, Andy Burnham.

Thanks for posting that link DO.

from the article

Scotland’s first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, called a meeting with EU diplomats in Edinburgh on Tuesday morning “to discuss how we reassure other EU citizens living in Scotland that they are welcome here”. Afterwards she said May’s hardline stance was “disgraceful” and “disgusting” as “human beings are not bargaining chips”.

The Labour MP Karen Buck – whose constituency is in the London borough of Westminster, which has 36,000 EU nationals, one in eight of the population – said she had been “flooded by emails from people concerned about the jobs they do, the businesses they run, and the future of their children’s education”. She said they needed reassurance now as they made decisions about their lives.

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I am so so angry, much more angry than I ever thought i would be after a Brexit. Most of my British friends absolutely don't understand what the problem is (remainers and leavers) they just say, "you should be alright".
Where does this ignorance come from of is it people being self-absorbed?

Just had to ditch a very vocal brexit FB friend as she kept saying "just have faith" wrt potential implications of her brexit vote on for the future of my family and the families of 3 mill EU citizens in this country.

It is a bloody scandal to treat us in this way.

I ask it again, can we form a civil society group to promote our rights?

And to all the idiots saying "but i wasn't about immigration bla bla bla"

This is what your politicians are saying and it is all about immigration:

The immigration minister, James Brokenshire, backed May’s position, saying it would be unwise to fully guarantee EU nationals living in the UK the right to stay “without a parallel assurance from European governments regarding British nationals living in their countries. Such a step might also have the unintended consequence of prompting EU immigration to the UK.”

Whose politicians?

I think if you refer to Brokenshire is my anything, I may well vomit, so stand back.

But May is saying the truth. There's no guarantee they can make at all. What if Spain doesn't want all our retirees?

And how about criminals? Remember the pledge by UKIP about EU sex offenders? Did I hear Australia being shown as a shining example? They deport any foreign nationals who have a 1+ year jail sentence no matter how long they have live in the country. Like

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/24/mother-of-five-who-has-lived-in-australia-for-28-years-faces-deportation-to-uk

There are lots of kiwis who basically grow up in australia facing deportation too.

Yes she can. We can legislate. Tomorrow if we like.

We probably don't even need to do that if we decide to protect any treaty rights that were already being exercised on polling day as a matter of IND policy.

Radio 4 has an immigration consultant on last week about EU nationals. She recommends everyone who can start their application now.

www.gov.uk/eea-registration-certificate

She basically says in the short term, there will be no changes. But no one can guarantee no change in any immigration laws. There are so many changes if you just look back. When I came here ten years ago, spouses are automatically approved. Now the UK spouse has to earn a certain amount, which excludes any SAH spouse or low earners. You just can't predict it.

It's a lot of money: it's the price of a big telly, a round trip direct flight to Orlando, a fancy handbag, or one month's average mortgage payment in the UK.

^^ how patronising! I can't afford those either so I didn't apply for citizenship when it brought me no clear advantages. I am a British citizen in the EU who couldn't even vote and I am expected to accept this? We have been part of the EU for my whole life and we were told it was just scaremongering and of course Brexit wouldn't make any difference to our lives so it didn't matter that we couldn't vote. Well it has already cost me thousands and I am sick with worry about the future. If an employer had treated me like that then I could sue but it seems that I'm supposed to just suck it up.

"What if Spain doesn't want all our retirees?"

I'd love to retire in Spain one day. But it is not appropriate to compare EU citizens living in the UK paying taxes and NI for decades, raining tehri families and being part of the fabric of this society with British pensioners moving to Spain to enjoy themselves and use the health services without ever having paid a penny into it. It's comparing apples and pears.

Well what about those who work and pay taxes in the EU?

God this awful. If you're an EU citizen let me tell you, I'm happy you're here, and I'm by no means the only person.

Lets deport the wretched self-serving, privileged idiots in Westminister who have got us into this mess and are still having a pissing contest as the rest of the country stuggles with anxiety. Much better idea and would bring instant savings and free up a lot more room too.

Allegretto, I support protecting all EU citizens living away from their birth country.

What I'm saying is a bitter reply to Teresa May and others who arrogantly says the UK need to protect the rights of UK citizens living in EU countries whilst coming across as rather unloving towards EU citizens who live and work here and who participate in British society. Using British pensioners as the main example in negotiating something or other is a farce. Not many people are here in the UK to retire and utilise public services without having ever paid into the coffers.

Hell I paid NI and taxes for ten years before I set foot into a GP surgery.