March? What march?

[Thefuturecouldbebright]

Can anyone else find much news coverage of this 'democratic march against democracy'? Twitter is full of info, but tune into the news channels and you would be forgiven for thinking it wasnt happening. Kind of has the ring of 'nobody cares' really doesnt it?

A number of marchers posting on twitter seem to think they are geographically being removed from Europe, although I guess you could forgive them given the odd name given to the march itself 'March for europe'

Why is it not 'March for E.U'? Isnt that what they are really there for? Anyone else as confused as I am?

It's not a game. Some people seem determined to see it as one, but it isn't.

I don't despise Britain or British people. Queen, you seem to think in binary absolutes - if we like Europe then we hold Brits in contempt. Also, for someone so tediously obsessed with criticising others for apparently 'sneering' at those we must think are beneath us, you are contemptuous and dismissive of whatever you consider the preserve of the middle classes like travelling abroad. Your contributions to these threads are single-track, narrow-minded and aggressive. Can we just agree that we get your point now, you hate the middle classes and believe that you've scored a great victory over them and they are all spluttering with disbelief at this wretched revolution of the proletariat. Hooray for you.

you hate the middle classes and believe that you've scored a great victory over them and they are all spluttering with disbelief at this wretched revolution of the proletariat.

It's not a game, you're quite right.
I can only hope that at some point soon people stop treating it as such - marching with witty placards & demanding that the result of the electorate is ignored, demanding that the govt carry on listening to the 'right' sort of people etc.

"...The response at the result among those who voted to Remain is most interesting. The willful ignorance of the affluent, educated and cosmopolitan on how divided and polarised British society has become is striking. The voting patterns mirrored divisions along the lines of class, economic standing, education, age, residence and ethnicity..."

www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-referendum-ignorant-educated-cosmopolitan-modern-britain-a7116836.html

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The right to peaceful protest is a wonderful freedom we have in this country. Rallying against anyone using this right is about removing freedoms, precisely what a lot of leavers complain about the EU for.

If it's not a game, Mango, what's with the constant refrain of 'sore losers'?

And threads like this 'March, what March?' and 'There's no lock on the door', 'Oh the irony' -- threads started by Brexit supporters (aka the winners!) with the sole purpose of goading and crowing over the losers? Ten thousand references to dummy-spitting and tantrums?

So we're supposed to take it incredibly, incredibly seriously, but it's all laugh and banter and ohmygodyou'resouptight if we can't take any jokes from the other campaign?

I thought most of the protest signs were great, and showed people determined to use humour and avoid hateful statements about an issue that genuinely concerns so many. The British Bangladeshi Association has just had to cancel an Eid event in Southamption because of threats of a far-right demonstration -- that's the kind of protest that should bother people.

So another or the same one with a name change leaver refers to their own side in derogatory terms - yesterday "knuckle draggers" and now "thick bigots" (today at 19.05). I genuinely haven't heard Remainers use any derogatory language to describe Leavers, but Leavers seem to be trying to put words in our mouths - to whip up a bit of hatred I suppose. Well done guys.

If it's not a game, Mango, what's with the constant refrain of 'sore losers'?

I haven't been a part of that constant refrain, so I can't answer that.

It's not^^ a game - so the sooner people start taking a breath, pulling together, reaching across the divide & getting on with things the better the outcome will be.

This attitude needs to come from the top, but unfortunately that sort of leadership and stewardship has been depressingly lacking - the country is still reeling with no sense of direction or focus which is only ever a bad thing.

Indeed it has, and is, Mango. That's why people are marching.

Yes, Mango, it will be so easy to reach across the divide with rhetoric like Queen's constantly reinforcing bitterness in both sides .

No need for the face, very counterproductive.

There are plenty of perfectly reasonable people on both sides, it's not that difficult to pull together surely?

It's not a game, you're right. I can only hope that at some point soon people stop treating it as such - marching with witty placards & demanding that the result of the electorate is ignored, demanding that the govt carry on listening to the 'right' sort of people etc.

Believe me, people on that march in no way thought it was a game. Underneath the goodwill and a degree of banter, there was a high level of desperate worry about the future of the country and particularly the most vulnerable people within the country.

so the sooner people start taking a breath, pulling together, reaching across the divide & getting on with things the better the outcome will be.

That all sounds wonderful, but we come back to the question: how can we "get on with things" when the people who brought this situation about have no clue what it is we are supposed to get on with? And, given that that is the case, and that the evidence seems to be that around 7% of leave voters would go the other way if the referendum were run again, maybe it's better to get on with dealing with the current system and making it work rather than smashing it and jumping into the unknown?

Judy, you have no evidence whatsoever that Britain will not benefit from Brexit. None. Forecasts are just that: forecasts. Have you heard of confirmation bias? Trying reading material other than the Financial Times and The Guardian and listening to all your mates

Oh dear can we stop referring to the result of this referendum as the voice 9ff the electorate. More than 48% votes against leaving I'd certainly say there was no overwhelming mandate for leaving.

Just a point. Pay no attention to Queen, she copies and pastes from other sources.

Further point. Stop the crap of pulling together, we can object aso muhammad as we like and make sure our voice is heard by whatever negotiators we have, or to try to get policies changed. This wasn't an outright won we don't have to take it lying down, democracy see.

As much as we like. Don't know how auto correct changed that

You sound awful. Really awful.

I just tried imagining your apoplexy on the morning the Brexit result came through. And then I laughed. Heartily.

you have no evidence whatsoever that Britain will not benefit from Brexit

There will be a reduced benefit bill when we stop paying living wage and benefits are reduced as employers have to pay the appropriate pay.

Of course, some people might say that unemployment benefit should go down if there are now all these jobs available - why get immigrants to do it when we have UK workers? Sorry, not in your town. Tough shit, why should our taxes pay for you not to work? Get on your bike and work.

This could be a new look Britain.

Ha Queen, I'm not the one who pinches other peoples writing ( and the comments below the article) and attempts to pass them off as their own.

There is lots of evidence btw that Britain will not be better off after Brexit, not just the Treasury info, but the LSE, Oxford Economics, IFS and lots of others have predicted that without full access to the single market we certainly will be worse off.

Firstly, it's obviously nonsense to say that all Remain voters are now slating Leave voters in offensive terms.

Lost count of how many times I've said this now........I-did-not-say-all

What part of 'many' / 'very few' / 'some' do you not understand?

If not, your assumption that everyone votes selfishly says more about you than anyone else.

Please see my previous post

It is however fair to say most people vote aspirationally.

Its why large tax increases on the top earners and on capital gains are not vote winners (anymore). You can say "look we will pay for XYZ" but what people think is that they wouldn't want their earnings taken away.

The best example is inheritance tax and mansion tax raised at the last election, inheritance tax effects 9% of the population, mansion tax less, but they became big political footballs.

I'll continue to copy and paste, too, as the stuff I'm reading doesn't go round and round on a carousel of pointless predictions and hysterical 'fact'-flinging. My arguments are ideological and yours are an attempt to poleaxe the Leavers with frightful 'facts' about the dastardly economic consequences of voting for Brexit. We didn't listen to Osborne and were certainly not wobbled by you.

We're, obvs.

Didn't you accuse the EU of calling you fat, queen??

Normal protocol on MN is not to c&p large pieces of someone else's writing, but to quote people, and post the source, rather than try and make out it's your own writing.

I do believe there are nights & fast rules on MN; 'normal protocol' is subjective.
If Queen feels that other people make a point better than she could, then why is that not ok? Or is this another (not very thinly) veiled attempt at intellectual snobbery?

Queen also didn't 'accuse the EU of calling her fat' either - it was clearly in the midst of a paraphrased rant.

It really is the worst type of superior twattishness to follow someone round threads mocking them - I'm pretty sure that's somewhere in the 'normal protocol' that you apparently hold so dear.

Sorry,
*night & fast should read 'no hard & fast'