Midlle Class PC white woman don't apply feminism to their sisters.

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Having a catholic background and knowing how the church was a positively evil force in the past, I really detest religion getting together with the law. It was accepted at the time as being the right thing to do despite being obviously totally abhorrant.

When I go to another country I respect it's laws. What troubles me is the acceptance of Sharia courts here.

It seems that white PC women have a dreadful habit of not supporting girls who from family or peer pressure do not somehow deserve the protection of the law. I have a real problem with Theresa May saying it benefits people greatly - frankly it only benefits MEN.

www.secularism.org.uk/blog/2012/03/sharia-law-and-middle-class-feminism

"Forced marriage and FGM etc the point was that there is a noticeable silence from the pc right on brigade when it comes to these matters. "

Yet again more rubbish, who were the main media backers of the end FGM campaign, oh thats right the PC right on Guadrian.

www.theguardian.com/end-fgm

There are lots of charities out there which are full of lefty right on people working to end child marrige, end fgm. Plan International are one, and I have worked for them in the past.

Yet you say the PC brigade blah blah blah, you just use it because you think it defends whatever position you are coming from.

It doesn't and you are wrong.

"Like take FGM, I find it so upsetting yet has there even been 1 person arrested for doing it here. In fact is it even against the law?"

Yes, it is against the law.

OP, your ignorance is striking

You conflate Catholicism with Islam, when about the only thing they have in common is the word religion that is applied to them.

You throw FGM and forced marriage into the bag, when neither of these are religious practices, and then to top it all off you have a dig at the "pc brigade" claiming that they agree with these things.

AFAIK, there is also some kind of Jewish court in operation in the UK.

AFAIK, there is also some kind of Jewish court in operation in the UK.

And? Does it systematically discriminate against women? If so, I'd like to see that gone too. Stop pandering to misogyny in the name of misguided cultural relativism. And stop trying to shut down people's legitimate concerns. You are enabling the far right, not helping tolerance.

And yes, do a little bit of reading about Rotherham.

How does Rotherham have anything to do with the EU?

What does this have to do with the referendum?
And what exactly do you mean by 'PC'?

I honestly couldn't say if Jewish courts "systematically discriminate against women"? Do Sharia Courts?

I honestly couldn't say if Jewish courts "systematically discriminate against women"? Do Sharia Courts?

YES very much so... Do you really need to ask?

Yes

Atenco, how can you say the OP is ignorant with what she is saying when you clearly don't know what she's talking about?

And smallfox, the OP brought up Rotherham as it was relevant to her post. I don't see that any of this is necessarily to do with the EU and am not sure why it's in this topic.

Where would you like to start? For beginners, how about - stoning death for adultery, execution for being gay, flogging and imprisoning for improper veiling as well as any crime against morality and chastity?

In fact there's 130 offences that are punishable by death according to Sharia. Its brutal and barbaric and has no place in a society that is a democratic, secular, equality based one.

FGM isn't Islamic anyway. It's not practiced in Saudi Arabia or Iran, for example. It's primarily a problem from the African continent and not all communities practicing it are Muslim, although many Muslim communities on the continent do.

FGM isn't Islamic anyway. It's not practiced in Saudi Arabia or Iran

Bullshit. It's widespread throughout the Middle East. Apologists for this hideous practice always try to localise it to North Africa or sub-Saharan Africa. FGM is pervasive throughout the Levant, the Fertile Crescent, and the Arabian Peninsula, and among many immigrants to the West from these countries.

In Egypt over 97% of women and girls have suffered this barbaric torture and Egypt has much closer ties to the Arab Middle East than to sub-Saharan Africa. There is no firsthand medical records available for Saudi Arabia or from any other countries in that region, but that doesn't mean that these countries don't practice FGM, only that these societies are not free enough to permit formal study into it. After all, FGM is prevalent in Iraqi Kurdistan where its been going on for years before being detected by the W.H.O, UNICEF, and many other international NGOs in the region. It had hitherto alluded them.

Id be more than happy to stand with Muslim feminists on almost any issue they would like me to.
But I'm not going to stand up and tell them what to do, to be or think like me (a western atheist) or that I know better.
I don't believe any female choice is a feminist one but I also don't believe in telling women of other cultures to mine what to do or think.

The same issues of misguided cultural relativism apply. I've seen plenty of people try to minimise FGM for those reasons.

My last was in response to rainytea.

Up to date statistics on FGM here:

http://data.unicef.org/corecode/uploads/document6/uploadedpdfs/corecode/FGMC-2016-brochure250.pdf

With the exception of Egypt, it seems that FGM is mainly practiced in Africa, according to those statistics?

Sub-Saharan Africa, that is.

Umm I said African continent and the last time I checked Egypt was still part of that.

And as 97% of Egyptian women undergo what I fully agree is barbaric (and Egypt's "version" isn't even the worst) and between 10-30% of the population are Christian (depending on whose figures you go for), then it would appear to be cultural, not religiously motivated. At least in Egypt.

And having worked in a related field I can assure you that I would in no way ever, ever minimize it. It has horrific consequences for women that affect the rest of their lives. It also negatively affects their marital relationships which has a knock on affect on their families and their husbands - which I frame in the context of the women's further suffering.

It is a massively political issue whereby foreign funded programs cannot touch it because the government accuses them of cultural imperialism and shuts them down, yet by not doing anything to prevent it, the foreign funded organizations are seen as turning a blind eye or implicitly condoning it.

Umm I said African continent and the last time I checked Egypt was still part of that.

Yes, and if you'd read my subsequent post, you'd have seen that I meant sub-Saharan Africa.

"Where would you like to start? For beginners, how about - stoning death for adultery, execution for being gay, flogging and imprisoning for improper veiling as well as any crime against morality and chastity?"

Has Theresa May authorised all this?

And having worked in a related field I can assure you that I would in no way ever, ever minimize it. It has horrific consequences for women that affect the rest of their lives. It also negatively affects their marital relationships which has a knock on affect on their families and their husbands - which I frame in the context of the women's further suffering.

I can believe that you personally wouldn't ever minimise it. Unfortunately, people do, and they often use bullshit cultural relativism to do so.

The thing is, it's not an issue about oppression and saving some women. It's a question law.
Our law doesn't allow violence against anyone, it doesn't allow fgm, it doesnt allow child marriages.
So any'sharia' law should be followed in such a way that none of this is allowed to happen.

As for the feminists, they are only showing how racist they are :(:(