Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

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Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

A lot of people don't have a pension, stocks and shares ... so for those millions of people the warnings meant nothing.

But if that is the case that was incredibly shortsighted. Because those pension funds are invested, and of course stocks and shares represent investments. Where they are invested in the UK, that produces funding for businesses which in turn produces jobs. Take away any incentive to invest and you are taking away jobs. Who is going to be hurt by that? Ultimately, the poorest members of society. You simply cannot ignore obvious consequences.

Proper fucked off with the grey, dreary, dull cloud of despair

So they voted for torrential rain instead of just the clouds? Good call.

Its what annoys me most about that argument, its the poorest who have the most to lose coming out of the EU, yet they've been convinced to vote against their interests by a campaign that promised the moon on a stick.

I was not going to report mollie's personal attack on me and my family because I think (if upheld) will MN delete it? Because I want it to stay there, so that her comment and the tacit approval of her fellow travellers can be seen by all.

Elements, it didn't appear to me as though she made a deliberate personal attack against you or your family.

A poster stated:
45% believed the claim that Turkey would be fast-tracked to EU membership and their population given the right to come here.

You then followed with:
I can offer one data point which is my FiL. He voted Leave because of x-million Turks coming to this country. This is actually what he said.

Mollie then said:
Not the 'truth is in the polls' again ^
Do people really believe you can ask a small sample of the entire adult population no matter how well researched and extrapolate that to the rest of the population.

Even worse - use the story of your own in laws to prove that an entire generation are selfish, bigoted and racist.^

You then said:
I hope you are damn proud of yourself for proving how morally superior you are by personally attacking me and my family.
I challenge any Leave voter to now stand up and tell me whether they think mollie is right, good and a fine human being to personally attack me, and furthermore to show me whether I have ever personally attacked her or any other Leave voter.

It seems to be an unfortunate misunderstanding rather than a personal attack to me, but of course if you feel it was an attack then it was.

Either way, it's not nice to feel that you have been unfairly singled out & made to feel shit.

Thank you for an acknowledgement and flowers, Mango.

I absolutely feel personally got at, because of the word "using". "Using" my much-loved in laws.

Other posters on this and other threads have said how their families and friends were all able to get along despite voting differently. Ours is just the same, I simply offered an anecdote, and yet she singled me out as "using".

No worries elements
I hope that when the dust settles a bit more and there's some sort of proper 'plan' in place that things get better.

Unfortunately I think a lot of divides are running quite deep - it's much easier to ignore it though when it's not a member of your close family.

Sorry, my last bit got garbled - it's easy to say things to or about anonymous strangers.

1)Switzerland does not get it alone. It pays significant amounts money to the EU and is bound by the "free movement of people"

2. The European Court of Human Rights (that bogeyman of the Right) is separate from the EU.

3. European comissioners are not elected. But they are appointed by people who are. Like civil servants. And ambassadors. And unlike the Queen and Members of the House of Lords.

Not sure if this is news to anyone on here, but I though it was worth saying.

ah Betrand, dont let your facts get in the way of their vague, trusting, unable to explain it joy!

I'm satisfied with my own decision.

This "proper" plan..why did no-one have one before? You'd think that the people in charge asking the populace to vote on such a major, life-changing proposal would have one, non? That they would have some clear cut plans on what to do next?

In fact these same people are either running for the hills, or stabbing each other in the back. Gove, Bojo, and Farage are complete jokes. DC, well he got us into this and he's effectively cleared off. But no, we are "free" and "walking on air" whilst the economy crumbles around us.

And all the Leavers have to say is that we are bad losers, and it will be all ok at some unspecified point in the future, even though no one actually knows how or what we are going to do to make it so. Nor can describe what this new OK future looks like. And then get upset that others question the intelligence of such judgement.

And that is totally leaving aside the questionable aspect of aligning with nationalistic and racist politics, as "I'm not racist, how dare you."

No one thought people would actually vote to leave...

Yeah, seen it. Funny

Its what annoys me most about that argument, its the poorest who have the most to lose coming out of the EU

its what annoys me too, that this assumption that things arnt already beyond dire for so many people. They are at rock bottom already.

1)Switzerland does not get it alone. It pays significant amounts money to the EU and is bound by the "free movement of people"

^^ Its has also withdrawn its application for full membership of the EU and its country is divided on the Free movement issues, its also tearing them apart. The far right is on the rise there too.

The Swiss referendum on immigration wouldn't win the same amount of votes now, there has been lots of research showing that.

Also Roses, if people think they are at rock bottom already, try getting money out of Westminster to fund the things in deprived areas currently paid for by the EU when tax receipts start drying up. Things will get worse, companies will move too, unless we get a very similar deal to the one we have now Sunderland can kiss goodbye to Nissan.

I might have found a positive. Out of the 46000 people who are employed by the EU, only 4% of them are British (due to our woeful foreign language learning meaning we haven't been more successful in the EU concours). That means there are ONLY about 2000 employees and their families that will lose their jobs and have no right to stay in Brussels. Small fry innit? Not so sure about all the related NGO staff though. Plenty of room for them all back in Blighty of course

MERKEL'S WORST NIGHTMARE Germany calls for Referendum as 'people want to be free of EU

BELEAGUERED Angela Merkel is facing calls for a referendum to free German people of "EU slavery" in the wake of Britain's sensational decision to cut ties with Brussels

Express yesterday.

Ahh. The Express

A source of independent free thought.

I always wondered who (apart from my Grandma) read the Express.

The Swiss referendum on immigration wouldn't win the same amount of votes now, there has been lots of research showing that.

There was lots of research & polls showing that Remain had it in the bag.
So much so, that nobody really appeared to take remotely seriously the idea that there might actually be a Brexit.

Are you lot employed by the EU?
Your vomit inducing love for it is actually a bit unnerving.

I'm sure I'm not going to take the express seriously in anything it says about Europe.

Doing a bit of further digging it turns out that there have been some calls in Germany for a referendum from eurosceptic parties that are not close to power or any majroity and the leader of the opposition on trade deals.

However the type of referendum needed wouldn't be legal in Germany due to their use in nefarious ways in the past.

Your vomit inducing love for it is actually a bit unnerving

TBH - it's more a contempt for the Express

Doing a bit of further digging it turns out that there have been some calls in Germany for a referendum from eurosceptic parties that are not close to power or any majroity and the leader of the opposition on trade deals

That's enough to generate a headline in the Express

Mango, to be fair, it was a small majority, they called a small majority for remain, they weren't far off.