Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

[Surferjet]

Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

Dismissive and patronising says the poster telling others to just get another job,

Helmet, yet again you insist on using half truths to make a 'point'.

I am the poster who said you were "charmingly dismissive & patronising".
However, at no point have I ever said "just get another job" or similar to anyone.

If you feel so strongly that you have to lash out, then please attribute quotes or comments with at least a modicum of accuracy.

But I do find the complete refusal to accept that there was a racist motive for some Leave votes frustrating

Please point me to a poster that completely refuses to accept that there was a racist motive for some leave votes.

To say that people completely refuse to acknowledge or accept that fact is a lie.

I agree that Some leave voters have used it as an excuse to be racist and voted because they are racist BUT not all of us leavers are and it's horrible to be branded as something your not just because of your political views on the whole subject!

I did see a comment on another thread, Bertrand where a Leave voter admitted that the leave voters who were concerned about immigration helped them gain victory, but now she would like to leave those voters behind and work with liberal non-xenophobic Remainers to get a decent trade deal. .

The thing that is most irritating about these threads is this constant meme

Poster A "Some people who voted leave have shown themselves to be not very bright and/or xenophobic or racist"
Poster B "How very dare you say 17 million people are all ignorant racists!!!!!!"

Of course some racists voted leave, who's denying it? But these are the very same people who voted labour once upon a time.
What did you do about it then? How were these people 'factored into future plans' ?

BertrandRussell
The thing that is most irritating about these threads is this constant meme

Poster A "Some people who voted leave have shown themselves to be not very bright and/or xenophobic or racist"

The thing is Bertrand on Friday and Saturday the comment was;

"All people who voted leave have shown themselves to be not very bright and/or xenophobic or racist"

It was only when leave voters defended themselves did the wording change to 'some'.

Am unsure if it's a pedantic attempt at humour or not, repeating a previous post which was not particularly insightful in its first outing - but regardless, please could you point out a poster who has denied that racists had any part at all in the leave vote.

I seriously haven't got a clue what BertrandRussell is going on about - I'm not sure she knows either.

Sorry, that was to Bertrand not Asprilla.

""All people who voted leave have shown themselves to be not very bright and/or xenophobic or racist"

Well anyone who said that was pretty ignorant.

As it stands, we are still in the EU, I'd put the celebrations and champagne on ice until Article 50 is invoked.

Oh we will be leaving the EU.

So we can be free, as long as Murdoch and Rothmere give us permission to be.

BertrandRussell

""All people who voted leave have shown themselves to be not very bright and/or xenophobic or racist"

Well anyone who said that was pretty ignorant.

I agree, but last friday and saturday there was quite a bit of it, that is why leave voters are still defensive about it, but I totally understand Remain voters were shocked and upset. I think/hope both sides have moved on a bit now and are trying to understand the reasons why things were done.

"Am unsure if it's a pedantic attempt at humour or not, repeating a previous post which was not particularly insightful in its first outing - but regardless, please could you point out a poster who has denied that racists had any part at all in the leave vote."

Sorry- I didn't intend to repeat it.
Well, whenever anyone tries to discuss the racist/xenophobic issue, the thread is instantly derailed by people saying "well i'm not a racist" It's happened in the last 10 posts or so.
How about you point out a poster who has said that "all 17 million leave voters are ignorant racists?"

False Conciousness.

We will never be free in a capitalist society.

How about you point out a poster who has said that "all 17 million leave voters are ignorant racists?"

Why?
Why would I bother to search for that when I don't believe that anyone actually really thinks it?

You, however, did say:

But I do find the complete refusal to accept that there was a racist motive for some Leave votes frustrating

Something you assert to be true.
So why won't you point me to an example of this phenomena, instead of sending me off on a wild goose chase for proof of something I don't believe to be true in the first place?

Let's face it, socialism is no picnic.

But there was a racist element to a leave vote, you might not like it, but there was.

Nrtht but one week on I am feeling mightily peed off with the Remain voters who cannot get it through their heads that they lost.

Yet another protest march today to show how despite a referendum that one side won the losing side seems to think we didn't mean to vote leave and we are all so uneducated that our votes don't count.

Remain lost this referendum because they forgot that a lot of there warnings about what would happen on leaving the EU didn't actually apply to millions of the uk population.

I was gobsmacked at the naivety that so called "Project Fear" came up with.

A lot of people don't have a pension, stocks and shares or can afford to go on holiday so for those millions of people the warnings meant nothing. Infact I doubt a lot of people gave a toss whether some city guy was going to lose money on his pension. Or it was going to cost more for some middle class family to go for 2 weeks to Spain. As for the warning that house prices would fall seemed to come over as a positive rather than a negative.

One of the reasons I voted leave was because I didn't see any future in the EU. It is like a business that takes over companies that have huge debts. At some point the whole company becomes unsustainable. Those countries wanting to join the EU are wanting the EU to help them not the other way round.

Overall it is better to be the first to leave than the last.

I sincerely can't find a single person who has asserted that there wasn't a racist portion of leave voters.

(Which is different to 'a racist element to a leave vote', obviously - because that would imply that every single leave vote had a racist element to it, which is untrue & unfounded.
Although I'm sure you didn't mean that SmallFox).

Project fear appears to be project fact having looked at the economic situation at the minute.

Oh and "you lost now shut up" which is your retort, democracy dear, its what you all said was the most important point, but you seem to only want it when it works in your favour.

as to the rest of your points. House prices falling won't benefit the people wanting to get on the ladder.

Many of the people voting leave did so because of national government decisions not EU ones. Suggesting that they didn't really understand what the vote was about.

Yes a lot of all the warnings didn't help but really, it was like cutting off your leg because your arm hurts. Things will get worse for those at the bottom of the economic pile.

The EU isn't going to collapse with out us, sorry to burst your bubble.

I didn't mean every leave vote had a racist element. But there were a proportion of the vote that came from that pov.

I didn't think you meant that SmallFox (genuinely).

I agree absolutely though that there is & was a racist proportion of leave voters; but I believe this was a minority of the 17+ million.