Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

[Surferjet]

Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

Brilliant post snowbell (on page 6). I've not caught up on this thread yet!!

The EU was not for me. it's an organisation of people we never voted for, who's names we don't even know telling us what to do.

Yes we did vote for them. And it's child's play to find out their names. Do you know the name of every MP?

Murderers & rapists running to the EU to stop us evicting them, & the EU letting them stay because deporting them is against their human rights. We were not in control.

This seriously makes me despair. This is all to do with the Human Rights Act, which in turn is based solely on the European Convention on Human rights, which (sorry to shout) NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EU. We drafted the ECHR and were the first to sign up to it in 1953, before the EU even existed. If we leave the EU we will still be bound by the convention.

So if your vote to leave was based on this, it was based on a total misconception and your feelings of optimism are certainly based on a complete fallacy. And you wonder why we worry whether Leave voters knew what they were voting for!

Ok, so who has been buying all those damn houses and driving the prices up? Apart from in London where yes indeed there is a huge offshore thing going down, fell free to prove that house prices are rising and there is less availability due to immigrants.

Captain Brickbeard, I have the lowest expectations in the world and no I can't tell you it's all GOOD why lie, I'm not an all seeing eye, but yes the sun will set and rise, politicians will sort themselves out and the world WILL move forward guaranteed.

And then lots of leavers give reasons that are coherent, and cogent, and do make sense, and they get ignored

But I haven't seen them, and I really have been looking very hard especially since all those votes became reality last week. And then I get things like OP saying she voted Leave because she thought the ECHR was all the EU's fault. If that's a sample of the coherent, cogent reasons you're referring to, TheTruth, it's not working for me.

Outside London, many London/south-east individuals as well as developers are buying up BTLs (cheaper outside London of course) based on the value of their existing asset i.e. their overpriced London home/and or other properties in London/the southeast. BTL income/rent in those areas is pushed up by demand i.e. increasing numbers of people who need a home. The money is not going into that area but back to London and the southeast.

In addition, there is the 'affordability' ratio, which is not just to do with the house price, but to do with the relationship between the wage and the house price. If the wage is pushed down by rising labour supply, the house is unaffordable to the local person, becomes a buy to let, with a rent that's too high because of competition for homes, and is then out of reach due to an inability to save.

Look for my posts Judy! Though there've been lots of others too :)

"The EU was not for me. it's an organisation of people we never voted for, who's names we don't even know telling us what to do. It's crazy. Murderers & rapists running to the EU to stop us evicting them, & the EU letting them stay because deporting them is against their human rights. We were not in control."

OK. If that is your definitive statement, the all I can say is- yes you could have voted for your MEP. You could easily find out their names. I voted for mine and know his name. And the Human Rights Act is nothing to do with the EU, and your Leave vote will make no difference to it.

EU rules stopped Britain deporting murderers, rapists and violent criminals

6 JUNE 2016 • 10:00PM
Murderers, rapists and violent offenders from across Europe have been able to remain in Britain after their crimes, the Justice Minister will say on Tuesday as he reveals a dossier of 50 offenders who have used EU rules to avoid deportation

Dominic Raab, who works closely with Michael Gove in the Justice department, said that British families are “at risk” because European courts are refusing to allow UK judges to deport dangerous and violent criminals back to EU countries

Mr Raab has compiled a dossier of the 50 most serious offenders who have been allowed to remain in the UK because of Brussels red tape. As justice minister, Mr Raab has had first-hand experience of many of the cases the UK has seen thwarted

Justice minster Dominic Raab works closely with Michael Gove CREDIT: EPA
His dossier includes an Italian man who stabbed a head teacher through the heart, a Polish woman who kicked her husband to death and a Romanian rapist who was given permanent residence in this country under the orders of the EU

Mr Raab said: “This is yet more evidence of how EU membership makes us less safe. Free movement of people allows unelected judges in the rogue European Court to decide who we can and can't deport. This puts British families at risk

The list of offenders will fuel claims that Britain is hamstrung by EU freedom of movement rules and will only be able to deport violent convicts if the country backs a Brexit on June 23

Ok, so who has been buying all those damn houses and driving the prices up? Apart from in London where yes indeed there is a huge offshore thing going down, fell free to prove that house prices are rising and there is less availability due to immigrants.

Who has been buying them?
Buy to let profiteering landlords.

These landlords are just in it for the money - they overfill the houses with EU economic migrants.
These migrants (usually on minimum wage) pay affordable rent each, but the very fact that there are so many individual rent payers rammed in one property, the rental take is way beyond that which is affordable to a family on minimum wage.

Ergo, landlords push the rental prices up, make more money whilst forcing working class families into a rental trap (high rent = can't save for mortgage deposit).
Rich landlords buy more houses - housing prices increase as demand increases.

Wages are pushed down at the same time, as the economic migrants are willing to work for low wages and poor conditions (the average wage in Poland for eg is around half the average wage in Britain).

Can you comment on this please.

Anyone?

Huh.

Off to bed than.

Sorry one last thing before I go to bed, I know you will say, oh that's what I said that's the BTLs and the Tories. BTLs were a Labour thing anyway. But besides that, BTL wasn't invented with the mortgage and the acronym. BTL was a response to what was already happening and has happened for years. Ludicrous house price inflation in London being exploited to create property portfolios, which means poorer people don't get a look in. All that debt bubble money 'created' before 2007 was ploughed into property and is still having an impact. One hopes that any kind of slowdown will help to reduce prices. But the main way of making housing more accessible and affordable now, perhaps the only way, is to make supply and demand match more appropriately. And an ever-increasingly demand means only one thing.

Very good Surferjet. It wasn't high on my list of priorities but that whole courts issue contributed greatly to my sense of 'helplessness' that stiffened my resolve.

What have btl landlords got to to do with the EU?

Other Eu countries have legislation that covers rental properties ie centrally registered leases, rules about rent increases etc. There is nothing to stop the UK also having such things.

Beenthere I think you need to read the posts from Mango and myself closely, and it will help you to work out what is happening.

The Guardian, June 18

'Meanwhile, as wages for people in low-income groups are pegged back, rents rise. Many times I interviewed Britain’s biggest buy-to-let landlord, Fergus Wilson, and many times he told me how well he was doing from eastern European migrants, who filled nearly all his properties and kept his rental income booming.

Rents in parts of the country are at catastrophic levels, snatching as much as 60% of pay. Migration is only part of the reason why that is happening. But when George Osborne declares house prices will fall by 18% if Britain quits, he’s giving the game away. He is saying membership of the EU keeps prices and rents much higher than they would otherwise be. Young people struggling with ludicrous rents, take note.'

Sorry, surfer jet- were there supposed to be links in your post?

Judy if you're looking for answers there is a thread Reasons Why I Voted to Leave which is good, well articulated and debated, take from it what you will.

You know my son's autistic and struggle's shutting out noise and if it gets too much he says all I hear is 'talkin, talkin, talkin' Amen to that.

...And the bien pensant, don't forget, believe in everything - which is a belief in nothing. The reason they hate conservatives and the so-called uneducated - their impression - is that these groups often have moral certainty and conviction; they say something they strongly believe in and hold firm to that. The 'progressives' and bien pensant despise people with moral certainty, because they themselves only hold 'positions on issues' and not real conviction and values - ergo they resent those with the temerity to have the firm conviction Britain will do better without the EU. Even more disturbingly, it suggests that the 'great unwashed' might know something they don't. This is the reason why Bertrand, Judy et al are furiously demanding, ad nauseam: 'But why? What reason could you possibly have to vote Leave!'

OP, where did that bit you quoted come from? Because it doesn't change the fact that what you're complaining about is the operation of the European Convention on Human Rights, not the EU. The fact that Pob the liar and that total idiot Raab allegedly said it was the EU simply cannot change the facts. If you don't believe me, check for yourself.

Surferjet, there was a response to that article from the Telegraph in the Guardian

His dossier includes an Italian man who stabbed a head teacher through the heart
An Italian man who had moved to the UK when he was 6 years old and had lived here for more than 10 years at the time of the crime according to the Guardian.

I've tried to google the names Dominic Raab is talking about and it all seems to be either the British Court system or the European Court of Human Rights. Neither of which will be changed by a "leave"
vote. So I can't make an informed response without more info.

It came from the telegraph - & I will check. But you're mistaken.