Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

[Surferjet]

Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

I live in another EU country. Property prices aren't stupid. The EU is not to blame for UK house prices.

surfer, it is taking up too much of my time at the moment, I'm recovering from surgery and it has left me with too much time to read and be on MN. Fortunately it's the weekend and my mind will be taken off it for a couple of days!

not sure how you can compare? We are a small island.

Are you in France? Germany?

Lets hope so Captain. I hope you make a speedy recovery

I live in another EU country. Property prices aren't stupid. The EU is not to blame for UK house prices.

Beenthere, In your EU country have certain pockets experienced similar to the 'Boston Effect'?

I think that's a logical fallacy Beenthere. There will be other confounding factors which mean the EU has not led to stupid house prices. Not all countries are the same. Many European countries, for example, have a completely different culture and attitude as regards property ownership. The level of supply will differ, the housing stock will differ, the level of demand will differ and the nature of demand will differ. As I said earlier, if you read Patrick Collinson in the Graun it's a good explainer.

Captain, thanks for taking the time to answer me (genuine ).

I hope you have a speedy recovery too

One week on and how do I feel? I feel like smearing my naked self in Stork margerine and running naked 'round a bigot-filled council estate, so ecstatic am I with the outcome last Thursday.

I'm not so ecstatic about some of you Remain lot. Your obstinate devotion not simply to the EU but to the idea that your way of life is superior to poorer people’s way of life, that your political and cultural outlook is better than mine, has made you alarmingly intolerant of political and moral difference. It has made you bigots. This is why so many of you Remainers have responded with such anger and shrillness to the referendum result: because your starting point is moral obstinacy, not openness to debate or democratic change.

Us Leavers seized an opportunity to protest against an establishment which for too long has treated us and our way of life with contempt, which has sneered at us for being too fat, unhealthy, bad at parenting, overly obsessed with flags and football, and basically unpleasant people in need of correction from on high. We kicked back against that. We protested against elitist intolerance and disdain for our way of life. Here’s the thing: our vote against the EU was far more a vote against bigotry than for it.

Hear hear Queen!!

Queen you are talking about the eu right? And not the AIBU section of mumsnet?

Qieen...what? The EU...told you that you're fat?

Thanks for the well wishes across our bitter divide, everyone btw . I'm going to bed but surprisingly after a very heated thread, I feel a bit better about the whole thing.

Over 17 million people made a massive decision based on empty slogans, lies on busses, dubious 'personalities', racism & recklessness?

The problem is that, both before and after the vote, it's been incredibly difficult to extract from Leave voters any coherent reason for their vote that actually makes any sort of sense. A number of them did indeed believe the £350m nonsense and seemed wholly unaware that we will still have to allow free movement. Many seemed to be voting out of a general hatred of anything to do with the EU, but a lot of that was based on myths like the straight cucumber and this weird nonsense about unelected commissioners. Some were certainly voting out of racism. Some like OP were voting because they were convinced everything would be lovely without being able to enunciate what would be lovely and in what way, or how the loveliness would happen. And some were like my delightful neighbour, who told me in all seriousness that she voted Leave because she couldn't get an appointment at the doctor's.

MangoMoon, I don't understand why one minute you're writing a moderate-slanted explanation of why people voted Leave (rarely recklessly, usually with due consideration, never with influence of Farage etc), and the next you're cheering a post that boils down to CLASS WARFARE! IN YOUR FACE, ESTABLISHMENT!

It's such a con. The people who were persuaded to think that this was a chance to level out social and economic inequalities are probably the ones who will get the worst deal, in the end.

Good grief, Queen, since when did the EU have anything at all to do with anyone sneering at you for being "too fat, unhealthy, bad at parenting, overly obsessed with flags and football, and basically unpleasant people in need of correction from on high or elitism"? I think you'll find if any of that happens it is exclusively home grown, and leaving the EU won't make you feel one iota better or stop anyone sneering at you (if they really are).

Hope you're recovering well
i do understand people's concerns I really do, but the truth is no one knows what the future holds, we just don't, & that would have been true even if we'd stayed in the EU.
I could have c&p endless articles on 'why we're better off out' & argued my corner till the cows come home, but at the end of the day it's all just talk & the world will carry on turning & doing what it's doing.
The EU was not for me. it's an organisation of people we never voted for, who's names we don't even know telling us what to do. It's crazy. Murderers & rapists running to the EU to stop us evicting them, & the EU letting them stay because deporting them is against their human rights. We were not in control.

Anyway - I'm off to bed. Enjoy your weekend.

'it's been incredibly difficult to extract from Leave voters any coherent reason for their vote that actually makes any sort of sense. '

Sorry but this is confirmation bias. I don't know any leavers that say they've based their vote on reasons listed by remain, haven't even seen any on mums net to be honest and I've been reading quite a few threads. And then lots of leavers give reasons that are coherent, and cogent, and do make sense, and they get ignored.

So it's not true that it's 'incredibly difficult to extract' them, though it may be true that it's 'incredibly difficult' to acknowledge them.

"I think that's a logical fallacy Beenthere. There will be other confounding factors which mean the EU has not led to stupid house prices. Not all countries are the same. Many European countries, for example, have a completely different culture and attitude as regards property ownership."

Indeed they do. Hence my argument that property prices are nothing to do with EU membership.

Draylong

'I know a painter/decorator who has not been able to raise his wages for 15 years. There’s always someone else, he says, willing to work for less. A driver who arrived from Turkey 18 years ago, who says the bus companies used to pay more than £12 an hour, but can now pay £10 or less because they have so many takers (and yes, the irony is noted). A care-home cleaner in a rundown seaside town who reckons her hopes of ever getting more than the minimum wage are zero. Each blames an influx of workers from the EU. Each of them are voting out. Tell them the EU protects workers’ rights and they just laugh.'

When companies launch recruitment drives in eastern Europe they blame skills shortages in Britain. Really? If a big business wants to hire, say, drivers on £25 an hour, it will find it can do so easily; what they really mean is that they can’t find people willing to work for £10 an hour or less, with antisocial hours to boot. Meanwhile, workers here rejecting low wages are told they are lazy, chivvy and feckless when they refuse to be part of the so-called “jobs factory of Europe”.

This is written by the Money editor of the Guardian, who voted Leave.

ARumWithAView, because it is, and has been, glaringly obvious to anyone with an ounce of outward looking sense & compassion, that this feeling has been deep-seated and spreading for decades.

If you didn't know the sociological split in this country was so horrendous and that people were so desperate then you have been living in a cosseted bubble.

Also, it may surprise you to learn that working class people can rail against the system, whilst still being articulate and moderate when the situation dictates.

Whilst there were many, many educated middle class, middle income Leave voters, there were many, many working class Leave voters too.
That is why you will never get a neatly packaged 'reason' for voting that way, or indeed a neatly packaged vision for the future or absolute consensus on 'what a leave voter wants' - it's because they were so very varied in type.

I would suggest reading these links to really get to grips with the depths of feeling of the disenfranchised & ignored (I mean that not patronisingly but truly in the spirit of trying to get people to really understand):

www.perc.org.uk/project_posts/thoughts-on-the-sociology-of-brexit/

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/brexit-voters-self-interest/489350/

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36258541

Another logical fallacy Beenthere. The fact that other features of the UK property culture feature in the equation does not mean that house prices 'have nothing to do with EU membership'. There is very little we can do, for example, about the size of the land mass of the UK.