Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

[Surferjet]

Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

TheTruthCouldOut

Breaking free of an unaccountable and bloated kleptocracy.
What - the one in Westminster?

Less wastage of our money, that will be good.
Again - that happens in the UK a lot. Sort that out first.

Being able to make our own trade agreements with the rest of the world instead of waiting years and years for the EU to reach a deal.
Did you not hear? It takes years and years to reach a deal whether you're in the EU or not. The only thing is... we are pretty much throwing out all our negotiated trade deals now.

Your 'positives' amount to nothing.

TheTruthCouldOut

And give me one examole how the EU harmed your way of life please. Just one example.

example

No, the one in Brussels of course SnowBells. What do you mean?

A great deal of money is wasted in the EU. Unbelieveable amounts. The accounts haven't been audit passed for years. It really bothers me - not you?

It doesn't take as long to make a trade deal, because there are only two parties to the agreement, do you see?

They're really good positives. I think the future is very bright :)

Yes, an example would be the amount of money I have paid in tax that is wasted. In addition, I fear that rents have been pushed up and wages pushed down by free movement. This doesn't affect me but it affects a lot of people. There was a Vote Leave piece in the Guardian by Patrick Collinson? Perhaps you didn't read it. It detailed quite a few problems which people are having.

The problem is, no matter what reasons we give for our happiness the remainers come back & pour scorn on it ( see above ) it's totally pointless answering.
Not that this was ever a Q&A thread.

Some people are sick of people expecting them to be 'answerable' to them and be the voice of Brexit.

It's this absolute lack of accountability, at every level, which frustrates the 48% of us who didn't want to leave the EU.

At the highest political level: promise anything, retract anything, stir up anything, and at no point is there any consequence. There's no official party of Brexit: nobody who'll ever be voted out, nobody who'll be called to account for the consequences.

I honestly can't believe any intelligent Leave voter could be anything but chilled by Boris Johnson's hasty and completely unanticipated exit. These are the public figures who advocated Brexit: one doesn't have the guts to deal with the fallout, and the other has betrayed his ally and suddenly reversed countless statements about not wanting the leadership himself.

But instead of saying, shit, this doesn't look great and I can understand people's anxiety, the typical Brexit poster on Mumsnet seems to have got more and more defensive and bitter, and 'I don't have to justify myself to YOU' seems to be a prevalent response to any questions. Why shouldn't you justify yourself? Why shouldn't you explain, if it's so self-evident that despite the events of the previous week this was for the best?

I've read the whole 'only for Leavers' thread, and it's just... it's like a tea party in an alternate universe. Starts off with tub-thumping about how the people have spoken, the elites have been cast down, it's a revolution.

Then any economic issues are either firmly denied (project fear has become project doom and gloom), or insinuated to be Remainers' fault: negative attitude, fear-mongering, and maybe the UK government has deliberately sabotaged the economy because it's angry with the result. All experts saying negative stuff are establishent stooges. One guy says something positive, and he's the saviour, and the tide has turned.

Then, in recent days, this sense of victimhood and martyrdom emerges. Suggestions that the Remain advocates are, in fact, as bad as or worse than the racists. Brexiters are oppressed, persecuted. Reading this, you'd come to think they were a small, plucky minority fighting terrible odds.

And now this self-pitying 'everyone's being so horrid and negative and asking me to point out genuine positives' mood. I'm so sorry if it gets you all down, but you ARE the voice of Brexit, if you voted for it, and if you have nothing to say then those of us who'll have to live with the consequences have every right to feel ripped off.

So there'll be no accountability from campaign leaders, and none from voters: I assume, given the current attitude, that when the country backslides into recession it will be someone else's fault, too. The faceless elites screwing us all over again? Westminster sabotaged us? Bremainers did too much dummy-spitting and accidentally ruined the economy? The people who led us into this will never, ever acknowledge their part. And considering the immense implications of their decision, that is an absolutely fucking cop-out.

Feeling great here 😀👍🏻

Interesting essay on the subject
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07hj8bv

He's far from gleeful but John Gray argues that Brexit is inevitable

The problem is, no matter what reasons we give for our happiness the remainers come back & pour scorn on it

I probably would, but I can't say for sure since I haven't heard any concrete answer. All I've heard is "yay democracy, I'm so happy, everything is GREAT".
But no actual words about WHAT is great, and why, and for who.

Feeling fanfuckingtastic,thanks for asking op

The Eu is a busted flush, we may have a tough time but its better than staying on for the death throes

Yes the truth. I'm welcoming the years it will take for us to negotiate the trade deals as a stand alone country. Without the collective bargaining power of the eu behind us

TheTruthCouldOut

Your tax?!? You do know that whole GBP350m was malarkey, right?!?

I have said this time and time again, and I do not know why people can't understand this. The benefits you get from EU membership is not that easy to quantify. It's not just a simple primary school subtraction of money paid minus money received (which is what Vote Leave would have you believe). It's more like algebra, where there are many different variables that are not included in that simple subtraction number.

• The EU funds a lot of scientific research. As I write this, grants have been frozen already. We know a few people who have already suffered the results of Brexit - one of them was meant to be doing his PhD project with a certain lab got this cancelled, as the lab was funded by the EU. Research pushes innovation, which helps businesses in the UK in the long-run.

• Jobs and companies are already moving away. Many smaller tech companies need freedom of movement to attract the best. They also can't afford the costs of getting visas for employees.

• We host a few EU agencies, such as the European Medicine Agency. It will have to move to the EU. That's about 800 jobs gone and the nearly GBP20 million a year rent they pay for their building. Plus, the trickle-down effect - all the suppliers will suffer losses.

All of the above (that's just a fraction of what's going on), bring money into the economy through taxes, etc. In the end, we likely get more from the EU than what we give away.

I'm afraid there is one person who is accountable, indeed the most accountable, and that's remain campaigner David Cameron. He called the referendum and he had no plan for a Leave result.

This is what he should have done: he should have called Gove, Leadsom, Grayling, Patel, Johnson and Osborne into Downing Street, like an adult, and laid out before them the plan he'd made for an interim three months. He should have on Friday not gone to ground, but come out at 18:00 and explained that market fluctuations were inevitable and the government was prepared for all eventualities.

He should be having continuous talks with Vote Leave ministers about how to proceed. His abrupt departure was petulant and immature. He's obviously never heard the phrase: It's not all about you.

He should have announced a date for invoking Article 50 and should pledge now that it will be his last task before leaving office.

This would have given accountability to the Leave Campaign leaders. This would have made them immediately answerable to their mandate. This would have been the mature way to proceed; the way he, as Prime Minister, should have proceeded. He has a country to look after; and he ran away.

Instead the Leave Campaigners have now been thrown into campaigning for the leadership. I'm sure they have plans. In fact it's obvious they have plans. But they're having to use them as leadership campaign arguments.

It is David Cameron who removed accountability from the leave campaign, quite deliberately, because he hopes that with Theresa May, remain will enter through the French windows.

Enjoying seeing the remainers flap around like fish out of water, still in denial and still o so sure they are morally superior to everyone else in the world.

If you voted out, you ARE accountable. No one has listed anything still that is going to improve the day to day life of anyone. Money wasted? Like the 20 years of EU payment that fell off the stock exchange overnight? That is real people's pensions and investment. The EU payment is tiny as part of UK expenditure. And a reduction of bureaucracy - the rules that ensure decent safety standards and working conditions. Name one thing that will positively affect my child's life in 10 years time that is a result of us leaving the EU.

It is David Cameron who removed accountability from the leave campaign, quite deliberately, because he hopes that with Theresa May, remain will enter through the French windows.

So true

TheTruthCouldOut

Here's one thing I agree with you. David Cameron IS responsible. But I blame him for calling this referendum in the first place.

He didn't need to. But he did it for selfish reasons because he wanted to appeal to the people on the right. He could have won it without promising this shit or just let his opponent win with dignity.

He didn't.

Gosh I could post so many links but unfortunately I suspect it's rather pointless. I can only try to reassure you. Keep reading round and don't lose heart. Your children will certainly be better off :)

I think only time will prove us right - though some people I fear are like the dwarves in Narnia's Last Battle - surround them with sunlit verdant uplands and they will still believe themselves stuck in a smoky tent with the world coming to an end just outside.

Can you not just name ONE thing?

To turn it round slightly, a question for remainers.

Why do you think people voted to leave?

I did just now name some things BeenThere.

Well, if Cameron's cunning plan is to remain in via May then I say well done to Cameron. That would be the only positive achievement he has contributed.

I find it hilarious that Leavers are blaming Cameron for their own leaders' embarrassing incompetence and ineptitude.

The responses on this page alone pretty much sum it up.

Everything from the 'OMG you dummy-spitters you're such sore losers think you're better than everyone else LOL' approach, to 'actually, I have SO MANY great points to make, but I won't, because you're just determined to be miserable. But everything will be fantastic!'.

So... nothing, then.