Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

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Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

I would hope the quality of life for people would massively improve once we get a handle on immigration.

Rosesaresublime immigrants pay more tax than they claim - to maintain the (shoddy) funding of local and government services, at the moment those immigrants would need to be replaced immediately with tax paying locals ie get baby making - 16 years lead time or we need to get people from somewhere else.

I would hope the quality of life for people would massively improve once we get a handle on immigration

Not for the immigrants it won't. Or are you not classifying them as people?

I think your hopes for quality of life are delusional.

In what way did being in the EU effect your quality of life apart from being beneficial?

Quality of life for the next decade or so is less likely to be as good as it would have been.

Well this thread took a bizarre turn! Brexit is good because it will be fine because good things come out of wars! Who'd've thought.

It's like: fact fact fact - I FEEL HAPPY - fact fact numbers fact - I THINK IT'LL ALL BE FINE -

Mango, the remainers seem way more mature. Your posts look more like propaganda.

OK then stop, OK.

Remainers - how will you feel if, say in two years time, things are still the same for you or possible greatly improved? Will you think 'actually, they were right' - or just find something else to moan about?

there's a fundamental problem here, in that this question just doesn't seem to comprehend that things being fine for yourself might not be the only rationale for a vote.

I got a promotion on Monday - fine for me, but it doesn't make Brexit a good thing! Do you not understand that all these apparently arrogant and detached people aren't actually voting primarily for their own interests, but for the greater good?

*I would hope the quality of life for people would massively improve once we get a handle on immigration

Not for the immigrants it won't. Or are you not classifying them as people?*

Yet another hysterical extrapolation by User.

'People' in that sentence presumably means 'people'.
As in everyone.
As in: people in this country; all people in this country.

It was you, User, who suggested that immigrants aren't people

You're confused again, Mango. Didn't you read the post I was replying to?

How will the quality of life improve for immigrants by the UK getting a handle on immigration? PP didn't mean those other people, she meant the people like her, the non-immigrants.
And you know it, just like your "local tradesmen" shite.

OP, you say you've been thinking bout these issues for "about 3 years, & within the last 2 months almost 2 hours a day listening to both sides" and that you can't think about anything else now. Yet, despite numerous requests as to what it is that you're so happy about, the most you've come up with is that you trust the politicians to sort things out. You haven't, so far as I know, discussed the question of whether you will still feel optimistic when prices and taxes go up, people's jobs disappear and the Union falls apart. You agree that Gove is destructive, dangerous and vindictive yet haven't taken on board that, even when May wins, he will undoubtedly have a major cabinet post and will wield a great deal of power.

I did read the post you were replying to, yes.

YOU extrapolated that immigrants weren't people, no one else.

And what do you mean by my "local tradesmen shite"?

All I know is it's my mission to challenge those who'd prefer to give up any chance of a free trade agreement in exchange for controls over our borders and increased sovereignty

Free trade and movement is fundamental to the whole system, any changes would have been better via our MEP's working with others across Europe. Stamping our feet like a petulant child and threatening walking off with our toys, and Farage making a career out of insulting other MEP,s is it any wonder EU doesn't work as well for UK as it should.

It was the logical extrapolation. which you must agree unless you can give a reason why immigrants lives will be better by controlling immigration?

We'll wait.

The logical thing when someone says 'people', is surely to think they mean 'people' without caveat.

To see the word people and take 'the poster obviously thinks immigrants are not people' is bizarre at best, deliberately inflammatory at worst.

grin OK then stop, OK.
Well, you seem so well informed when needed and too naïve to answer about your reasons to leave...
OK, I stop :)

The logical thing when someone says 'people', is surely to think they mean 'people' without caveat

That would be the simplistic thing, but no. Please try to understand the question: the comment was I would hope the quality of life for people would massively improve once we get a handle on immigration

Now, either you need to answer how life can improve massively for immigrants when we get a handle on immigration, or if you can't, you need to tell us how immigrants can be classed as people vis a vis the object of the comment above.
Still waiting.

JudyCoolibar you're absolutely right. I can't come up with anything to persuade you I was right, because nothing has actually happened yet. Yes I know the financial stuff is not good atm, but that's just as much to do with the political fighting as the EU vote ( if Cameron had stayed would things be as bad? )
I can't say anything that will turn you around, all I can say is I listened to everything you listened to, only I went one way & you went another.
I don't know if you know a poster called claig - she is fantastic at answering posters concerns on Brexit, it may be worth searching her posts.
And as for Gove - yes he was awful as education secretary, but he could be the very man we need to ensure Brexit runs smoothly.

Remainers - how will you feel if, say in two years time, things are still the same for you or possible greatly improved? Will you think 'actually, they were right' - or just find something else to moan about?

I will have something to moan about though. You are desperate to put mine and my children's right to free movement to live and work in 27 other countries in the bin. In the 1980s, we were the Polish builders.

How did the EU or immigrants from the EU harm your quality of life?!?

Are you talking about increased competition? Shouldn't the answer to increased competition be... to be better than the competition, rather than just making sure they're not there (which wouldn't be good for UK businesses, if the talent goes elsewhere).

I understand people's wish of having the same life as, say, my parents: Single-earner household, dad worked 9-5, house, rental properties, great holidays, retired at 60, etc. Not much competition. I mean... I want that, too!

Doesn't work though in this globalized world, where you don't even need migrants to steel your job, because firms can just allocate your role to another country. I heard Gove talk about his ideal world. And yes, that would be doable, if every single country in the world does what he wants to do, too (possibly tax bankers, put a cap on bonuses, etc.) - which would be far easier to achieve, if we were part of some sort of union. If they don't, firms will just move operations.

I mean... France tried to establish a 75% tax rate on earnings over EUR1 million... and guess what... it was there for a bit and quickly vanished into the ether. Ever thought why?

People of the UK by definition includes all people within the UK, regardless of colour, language, country of origin etc.

Immigration being controlled means further immigration being subject to certain controls on numbers etc. In the future.

By immigration being controlled, one would hope that the 'people of the U.K.' will be better served; also, any further immigrants should surely be better served also.

Thanks Mango of course that's what I meant!

"As in: people in this country; all people in this country!"

The final nail in the surreal coffin that is this thread - we ask Claig to explain it all!

'financial stuff atm' is not bad because of 'political fighting', it's because the global market have massively lost confidence in the UK.

Some Remainers love to "other" people Mango they get off on saying
" forriner" and stuff like that. Why - goodness knows.

It's ok Roses, that particular poster has a hard on about running round threads looking for 'racism' in the most convoluted and extreme ways.

In other words, you can't answer the question.

People of the UK by definition includes all people within the UK, regardless of colour, language, country of origin etc

Except it doesn't. If it did, we wouldn't have people getting screamed at to "go home" and there wouldn't be a massive scramble for other EU passports, for a start.