Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

[Surferjet]

Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

t bad because of 'political fighting', it's because the global market have massively lost confidence in the UK

Temporarily yes.

you are everywhere, throwing out casual racism and then getting upset about it being pointed out.

No I'm not.

Yes you are.

I can keep this up, all day, its such fun.

Still waiting for an answer on how immigrants lives will be massively improved by tighter controls on immigration. Any thoughts?

I can't come up with anything to persuade you I was right, because nothing has actually happened yet.

But don't you think that's a problem in itself? Don't you think something should have happened months ago, i.e. the production by Leavers of a coherent plan that fully took into account the reality they at last publicly acknowledge, i.e. that we are going to be financially worse off, immigration realistically isn't going to change, the Union is highly likely to fall apart, and racists will feel validated?

claig - yerrsss - that would be the person who confidently stated that the Mail backed Gove and people were dancing in the street singing "Roll out the Barrell." The Mail backs May and no-one is dancing in the street. Not sure that really makes her a fount of all knowledge.

My dc all voted. My ds got sent an NI card in the post. He has not worked yet.

Right, Surfer - so not because of the 'political fighting' which you said in your last post! In other words: because of Brexit.

You may think it's 'such fun' to repeatedly accuse someone of casual & explicit racism & have that person constantly have to point out that you are lying, but I do not.

It's offensive & tiresome.

JudyCoolibar. Yes I have to agree with you. I think it was Hollande who said we haven't got a plan A let alone a plan B - we should have been better prepared.

& as for claig, well no one gets it right all the time.

I still remain concerned one week on.

The markets have taken a hit and we have not felt the brunt of that yet but we will.

There has been talk of tax rises and spending cuts.

If you are in any way vulnerable then the term "spending cuts" is a scary one. For example special educational needs already suffer through reduced funding. What will be the spending cuts do to pupils like my DS who is autistic and relies heavily on support in school? I don't feel any security whatsoever. What else can they cut and where as most stuff is already cut to the bone?

I am still feeling very insecure and I suspect that will continue for a good while. Nobody should be celebrating yet as we haven't seen the full force of the implications of our decision.

Letting Nigel "Fridge" Farage loose at the EU parliament was a dreadful idea. Insulting people who have probably done more work than he has had hot dinners. I only hope the EU parliament realise how much he is disliked by most decent people in the UK. I feel sick thinking about him...dreadful little man but then he is a prime example of money not buying class.

Nope...not celebrating at all and hoping desperately to be proved wrong.

Claig as the expert?

Now that is funny.

Claig gets it right none of the time.

So you're happy and optimistic about the fact that the politicians you trust don't have a Plan A or a Plan B. What exactly is it that you feel happy about, then?

I'm confident that once we get a new PM things will settle down. I wasn't expecting Cameron to resign. That hasn't helped.

You may think it's 'such fun' to repeatedly accuse someone of casual & explicit racism & have that person constantly have to point out that you are lying, but I do not.

It's offensive & tiresome.

Agree

I'm confident that once we get a new PM things will settle down

On what basis are you confident, considering you don't know who that PM might be?

Well it's not going to be Mickey Mouse is it - it's either Gove or May.

So's the casual racism. I'm sure you don't think you're actually saying vaguely offensive things, nor supporting others to do so, but ignorance is no defence.

I am heartily sick of this now.

Examples, please, of my apparent 'casual racism'.

I'm confident that once we get a new PM things will settle down. I wasn't expecting Cameron to resign. That hasn't helped.

Really? But surely it was perfectly clear he was going to have to resign if it was a Leave vote?

I'm increasingly bemused at what on earth Leave voters thought was going on when they cast their vote. All too many admit that thought Cameron would stay in place, they had no idea what the consequences of their vote might be, and they believed the crap about the £350m and immigration even though all the evidence that it was crap was freely available. Over the past week I haven't come across one Leave voter who can actually explain what was going on in their head other than a vague feeling that it would all be OK.

Good grief again? surfer, we will get claig on to talk in sound bites and tell us how brilliant Farage is. You have really demonstrated that the three years you have spent thinking about this were utterly wasted. Bloody hell.

Your OP rankled me when I read it - you're walking on air when people are terrified about their jobs, about the economy and about the horrific and reprehensible rise in racism. But you have gone on to make me angrier than I can possibly express as it has become clear that you don't understand what you have voted for, you can't explain why you voted for it and you can't tell us how on earth this is going to be a good thing for the country, for Europe, for the world or for a single fucking one of us. It is just gargantuan, incomprehensible stupidity.

Do you know what, on the day of the referendum I was talking about how this wasn't a good thing, that although I thought we would Remain it wouldn't feel like a victory because the campaign had been so awful and revealed such deep divisions and bad feeling across the country. Had Remain got such a tiny victory of 52-48 there is no chance at all that I would have been on here saying I was 'walking on air' because I'm capable of looking around and seeing that whichever way this was going, it is a fucking mess.

Personally, I think these racist attacks would be happening either way - carried out by triumphant racists now but it would have been angry and defiant racists if Remain had won. We are looking at serious problems to resolve and now we will be tackling them in the face of an economic crisis and political disaster. Fucking great.

You seem to think it's a big game, that's it's win or lose and look, Leave won so anyone pointing out the horrific consequences of that is a sore loser and you can just be happy about your victory, never mind what unfolds as a result. A week later, in the face of all the terrible things that have happened, you are elated because you 'won'. Never mind what happens now - the politicians will sort that out! You don't have to think about it anymore! You're just so happy about all the brilliant things that you can't identify and don't know will happen anyway. Brilliant. Thanks a lot.

Examples, please, of my apparent 'casual racism'

See above. If you could perhaps answer the question asked of you several times now, we could put the accusation of casual racism to bed? But you won't, because you can't.

I did answer, please see above.

Neither Gove nor May fill me with confidence tbh. May for her little smile when the vote to not accept child refugees was announced. Gove for...well too many to list.

Hateful both of them and neither fit to be in charge of vulnerable people in society as they have no compassion or understanding.

Well it's not going to be Mickey Mouse is it - it's either Gove or May

I'd be more confident if it was Mickey Mouse. On what basis are you confident that things will improve under either Gove or May?

Michael "I hate experts/let's screw up education" Gove or Teresa "Snoop on everyone/tear immigrant families apart" May? I can hardly wait. Still, I guess they're better than Stephen "Cure gays with prayer" Crabb.

And one of these would be the unelected Prime Minister who will be pressing the big red Article 50 button, to rescue us from the tyranny of undemocratic Europe. Yay.

I did answer, please see above

Actually you didn't give one single reason why immigrants lives would be massively improved by curbing immigration. All you said was everyone would be "better served". That is not an answer.

I think what you mean is : I have no idea how immigrants would be better off after we control immigration more. They probably won't be.