Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

[Surferjet]

Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

Remainers - how will you feel if, say in two years time, things are still the same for you or possible greatly improved? Will you think 'actually, they were right' - or just find something else to moan about?

You calculate your benefits from previous wars.

Not at all stop.

Please read the thread.

I responded to a post stating that change is not always good, and included WW1 & WW2 in that.

I replied with a list of positive changes which came about as a direct result of those wars.

I in no way advocated war, and I at no point called for WW3.

MangoMoon

I just mentioned them because they are "change". You're the one who tried finding the silver lining...

Well, it's hard to say surfer because as it stands no one has actually given one reason why Brexit will improve anything for anyone. So I can't imagine how it will have made my life better in two years time. If, in some unforeseen way, it has made my life better, if employment rights and social protections are upheld, if recession hasn't created widespread misery and if EU funding had been replaced with govt contributions then I will indeed come back and say that you were all right. Honestly, I would be happier to be wrong and I will absolutely admit to being wrong if that happens. I can't see how that will be the case, but I will.

Equally, if the direst predictions of the Remainers come true will you come back and apologise for your vote or admit your mistake? It won't help if you do and I don't take any comfort in the prospect, but will you?

Surferjet

If it made Britain better, then good. Although you can't look at two years, considering that Article 50 is unlikely to be triggered until next year and there's a 2-year negotiation period.

Can I ask the same question to you though... what if in 5 years time, jobs have gone and people have become poorer... and so forth. Would you say, "Shit, what have I done?"

Not me desperately finding a silver lining Snowbells - they are widely reported & acknowledged positives which came about as a direct result of those two massive & tragic events.

As for looking for silver linings in a more general sense, I am a person who always tries to find a sliver lining in everything.
On a personal level, it is this attribute that has enabled me to push on and overcome many potentially catastrophic events in my life.
That is just a personal aspect of my general personality & attitude though and one I have tried to foster in my children - I am aware that not everyone is the same though, people approach things differently and that's just fine - everyone is individual.

MangO, if I have an agenda, it's getting picture on who would win if MN voted for Brexit. MN seems diverse enough for results to correlate. Just research

Equally, if the direst predictions of the Remainers come true will you come back and apologise for your vote or admit your mistake? It won't help if you do and I don't take any comfort in the prospect, but will you

Yes I will.

Can I ask the same question to you though... what if in 5 years time, jobs have gone and people have become poorer... and so forth. Would you say, "Shit, what have I done

Yes. Because if my vote leads to anything other than long term security & prosperity - then I'll have that on my conscience - I'll be the first to admit I got it wrong.

I see the point of your positivity in the face of adversity strategy.

However I'm struggling to find it in the decade of uncertainty ( and it will be that long) that the leave vote has taken us to.

Also, I think its fine to have it in personal situations but I certainly don't think using the war as an example is appropriate.

Remainers - how will you feel if, say in two years time, things are still the same for you or possible greatly improved? Will you think 'actually, they were right' - or just find something else to moan about?

Well unless a big chunk of the UK suffers some sort of blunt trauma and turns them into liberal progressives with people clamoring to pay more tax then it cant tbh.

Business reverts to type - race to the bottom, less legal protection, right wingers have already wacked up the tribunal costs to put people off. This is what has been promised as to why we need to leave the EU. less tax returns to fund services.

I would love some positive news surfer but cant see where the money or industry/business is going to come from to fund this new 'free' UK that people have been promised.

"then I'll have that on my conscience - I'll be the first to admit I got it wrong."

I wonder if you'll admit that you should have listened to the experts? Most of what they said would happen initially has already happened.

The stock market has rallied a bit, the pound is still far lower than it has been. Investment has stalled.

I have a 16 year old ds just starting out in life. I did this for him, & if I have screwed up I'll do all I can to put it right.

And how do you feel that whilst you're 'walking on air' at having your country back, other people are being told to fuck off home? Getting cards through their doors calling ten vermin? Children being told they'll be deported by gleeful racists? I'm not sure what will make it up to those people, whatever the outcome.

Stop, no worries

I wouldn't use MN as a good representation for research though tbh - pre referendum it was very vocally Remain, lots of 'shouting into an echo chamber' going on.

You only have to look at the vitriolic backlash from some very vocal MN Remainers to get a good picture of the sociological split in this country though - it has been horrific in some parts.

(I bolded 'some' not to be snarky, but to make the point that it is not a majority).

Surferjet

How would you put it right though?

By that time, it would be too late!

I certainly don't think using the war as an example is appropriate.

With respect, I didn't bring the war into it.

The wars were used as examples of change & how change isn't always good, by another poster - I just pointed out that there were many positives that came out of what was horrendous change.

Haven't RTFT but doesn't the working time directive just stop people being forced to work beyond a certain point? If people want to they can? As for parental leave being unregulated, yeah sure companies will offer it. Watch the brexiters howl in protest when their legally mandated annual leave becomes "a voluntary arrangement" too.

So I can't imagine how it will have made my life better in two years time. If, in some unforeseen way, it has made my life better

Ah, and yet peoples lives have been made worse. You are obv not one of those.

Small the whole world is un certain right now, its a question of facing that alone as the UK or joined to the inept EU. I feel far better now we have a chance to extricate ourselves from the EU.

We took more to the table than we ever got back. We are strong in so many areas. I am not implying we have never got a single thing from the EU but its nothing we cant do ourselves.

We will always be close to the EU, we just wont be rolling round in bed with it.

Well CoNnut then I can go and lobby my MP cant I.
Far easier than getting myself to Brussels and trying to elbow my way through over 300,000 lobbyists for Big Business to make my little voice heard.

Haven't RTFT but doesn't the working time directive just stop people being forced to work beyond a certain point? If people want to they can?

Yes that was its aim and we "won" the right for people to opt out so they can work 60 hrs a week etc. Go UK (facepalm)

also if your employer comes to you with an opt out form - what you going to do!?

I have a 16 year old ds just starting out in life. I did this for him, & if I have screwed up I'll do all I can to put it right

You better start now, because you have already royally fucked him over.

I would hope the quality of life for people would massively improve once we get a handle on immigration.

Day to day living should become easier and happier and not playing catch up. It will of course take a long time to repair the damage started in 2004.

Curbing immigration is on the cards and wont be swept under the carpet.

Mango, the remainers seem way more mature. Your posts look more like propaganda.

The directive states that you an't be forced to opt out either.

Although obviously those desperate for jobs are more likely to. There are also admin costs etc with opting out so lots of firms just decide not to do it.