Remain voters who have changed their minds

[Thefuturecouldbebright]

Ok, I expect to get pulled apart like brisket here, but... I havent seen anyone raise this question yet.

Is there anyone here, who voted remain, who has now changed their stance in the other direction? Especially now given the petulant tit for tat behaviour of the EU dictator otherwise known as Juncker? (Among others)

I am not asking to go round in circles talking about the falling pound/markets etc, as that has been done to death, I am just generally interested to see if anyone has swung the other way.

Well politicians since Friday seem to have interpreted the Leave vote as a vote against immigration (or European free movement at any rate),
so it follows that people who voted Leave are taken to have wanted fewer immigrants about,
and when there has been incidents of people actually telling immigrants to their face to go away,
people have thought it wasn't unreasonable to link the two.
Does it make sense?

Not all leave voters were racist. But all racists voted leave.

Did you miss the above comment soren? ?

Is the word 'they' no longer part of the English language? Is anyone using that word now also racist?

People read what they want to read though, don't they?

Nope, I would vote the same way if the re-run it tomorrow. If anything I am more certain now than I was in the booth.

I was never in any doubt about voting remain.

And post results I'm still glad I didn't make a stupid choice.

No, of course loobyloo, cos racists are generally in favour of greater union and free movement of labour and closer relations with other countries.

My mistake.

Daytona you said he didn't vote because he couldn't decide and now he was offshore? Anyway whatever, I'm sure he could have voted by proxy so you could have voted on his behalf with his choice.

I'm 24, voted leave, and don't regret it. Mostly for reasons of bureaucracy, don't fully trust an EU superstate (Turkey etc wanting to join now, it's getting too big and powerful, yet more convolated), I don't think Greece was handled at all well, and that Britain can make better, individual global trade agreements under it's own steam. Just as it can make it's own policies, improved versions of former EU led directives. Just need a general election now to sort out the government. Can see why a remain voter would be secretly happy the overall vote was out, and privately wished they'd voted Leave. Also, honestly, the more I read "project fear" propoganda, the more I experienced a sort of perverse rebellious feeling. I think this is a great opportunity for positive changes. And I do think if any other country decides to follow suit and leave, the whole thing will begin to unravel.

Remain all the way.

I believe in the European ideal.

I HATE LITTLE BRITAIN.

If we really leave, I must plan my own Brexit in due course. DH and I feel about it so strongly, we'd rather be anywhere but here.

iPost

Have you seen the one about he EuroSausage? That's quite amusing too, but the one you posted is the best.

Oh good. I'm glad "perverse rebellion" has been cited as a reason.

2nds I said he was offshore in the 5 weeks run up to the vote and arrived home on the day of the vote (last Thursday)

And didn't vote due to having had no time to research which side to vote for

He wasn't prepared to tick a box for something he knew nothing about

I'm not sure what else I can say on the matter really

So all I'm saying he was a undecided due to lack of knowledge but since having access to Internet says he would of voted leave had he had chance to research prior to the vote

I'm glad "perverse rebellion" has been cited as a reason

If it all goes tits up, at least one day I can blame it on being a "yoof" at the time

Seriously though, I've been following the events in Greece for a long time online. At one stage refugees were held in cramped, filthy cells like cattle, for weeks. That really (mentally) bothered me for a while. Following events in the jungle at Calais, and other refugee camps, reading about some really horrible treatment, bothered me. Reading about animal cruelty in places like spain (bull fighting) bothered me, etc. Then the referendum was announced. The more I read (many hours pre brexit) and discussed with older relatives the more I felt leaving was right. Dp's 91 year old grandad had some great stories to tell, he can remember voting to join etc. I don't think the EU is the shinging beacon of humanity that most remain voters believe it to be. There's a local saying here "she thinks the sun shines out of that ones arse". I didn't want to be part of it any more. If the Euro crashes, and can't recover, the pound will be a safe haven. I think the pound will withstand brexit, now the bank of England have stepped up.

"An average of 30% of the black/muslim/asian electorate (that voted) voted Leave" A guy from Britain for Muslims was interviewed on sky news about why he campaigned for a leave vote, and I found myself agreeing with everything he said. He was the first I heard predict that Birmingham would have a leave majority.

Wicked

That's a bit rich, considering the UK (and PLENTY of Leave voters) don't want refugees. Don't like the bull fighting either, but the problem is it's Spain's culture. The U.K. already complains that the EU meddles too much. Guess how some of the old-fashioned Spaniards would feel?!?

I know of three people who wish they'd voted leave. Two didn't vote at all, one very elderly so I'll let him off, the other just didn't get round to it. One voted remain, but I think mainly influenced by his DW who is a teacher and likes to be right!

Apparently a lot of refugees and economic migrants said they understand why Britain might leave, and some said they might have done similar in the same position. A lot of black and asian migrants from areas outside the EU think it's rascist, and that white migrants from the EU have more rights and this is unfair.

I think a misconception among a section of leave voters is how it will affect migration and free movement. Nigel Farage and UKIP could have had less to do with my decision. It was Cameron who actually delivered the referendum. I thing Farage is getting a lot of reflected glory atm, but he will embarress himself again soon. I don't think all racists voted leave, and I do think less leavers voted for racist or xenophobic reasons than is generally believed.

WickedLazy please don't feel attacked, you have obviously thought through your reasons carefully and I completely respect that. The treatment of migrants was very upsetting to see, yes. (Though to be fair, Britain could have shared more of that burden).

I am just interested - why would you like the whole thing to fall apart?

It may be that a more devolved Europe is what individual countries want, and so be it. But it's worth noting that the parties in Europe who are keen for the EU to break up - that's notably the Front National in France, Gert Wilders Party for Freedom and the Freedom Party in Austria - are all far right. That is why Marine le Pen greeted Brexit with enthusiasm. So actually the idea of the EU falling apart is worrying to many people (except Russia I guess).

To your other point, Turkey is at the back of the queue - it would very much like to join but it meets only 1 standard of 35 in terms of democracy and rule of law.

Anyway, others may see this differently - the last thing I want is an argument with anyone. Just putting forward another perspective.

Bullfighting is very cruel - we can agree on that!

Not for a second. I voted remain. In my mind, there was no question about it.

The events since last Thursday simply prove to me that staying in was the right option. The leave vote has upset the apple cart for no reason.

People are kidding themselves if they think the EU will give us an easy ride - we just fucked over forty years of economic, political and security integration.

Remain, on the basis that a yes\no answer to a very complicated question seems like a STUPID idea. And it was and still is.

I do feel a responsibility to my European neighbours as well.

Wicked I don't get It. Are you saying that the local (I.e. Greek and French) treatment of refugees and local (I.e. Spanish) treatment of animals is what bothered you about the EU and influenced your vote?

If so - I don't get this at all. Where does this idea come from that everything that happens in a European country is the fault of the EU? EU has very little influence in day to day running of affairs! Greece had huge political and economic problems before it joined the eu, then bankrupted itself through complete financial incompetency (in a nutshell). The refugee crisis in Greece happened at a time when its welfare and social services were least able to cope. Plenty of EU cash was donated and made a difference in some.cases (new shelters etc) ut the reason why it got so bad in Greece was because individual countries (Hungary, UK, well, everyone apart form German and Sweden) refused to take on their share of the burden! That's national politics, not the EU!!

Where do people get this idea from, that EU is meant to be the fixer of every single that goes wrong? I don't get it, I really don't.

Sorry. That was more ranty than I intended but the depth of ignorance over the basic workings of the EU after the referendum has really appalled me (generally speaking, not just on MN)

But, if I got the gist of your post wrong, apologies.

Question for leave voters.

All the people saying 'I did my research online and decided based on that research to vote leave', what were you reading?

Genuine question because I really want to know.

I think the gist of my post was, a lot of things influenced how I feel about the EU, and how I voted, and that I think we will be no worse out of it in the long run. I don't think it was all it was cracked up to be.

"Where do people get this idea from, that EU is meant to be the fixer of every single that goes wrong?" That's sort of me point. I isn't/wasn't the fixer of all things it's been portrayed as. Why were Greece allowed to join when they were in such a precarious position? Before a lot of money got pissed away.

"why would you like the whole thing to fall apart?" I wouldn't like it, but part of me knows it could realistically happen in our lifetimes (and that it wouldn't be the end of the world if it did).

my point*

Interestingly my Conservative MP is female and a Muslim. And Pro-Leave.

Like Wicked, I think the EU as an entity is on borrowed time and will eventually cease to exist in its current form.

WeSailTonightForSingapore

There were many, many articles pre Referendum. I honestly think you are trying to antagonise Leave voters with your post. Like we didn't research, and voted to piss everyone off? Is that what you honestly think?

I was talking to family today who had voted remain. Both said their hearts said leave but they voted remain for financial reasons. As such they are quite philosophical about the future and feeling reasonably epositive.

Most people I know we're not enthusiastic voters either way. All middle of the road, I just don't recognise the extreme reactions on tv and social media.