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Remain voters who have changed their minds

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Thefuturecouldbebright · 30/06/2016 14:12

Ok, I expect to get pulled apart like brisket here, but... I havent seen anyone raise this question yet.

Is there anyone here, who voted remain, who has now changed their stance in the other direction? Especially now given the petulant tit for tat behaviour of the EU dictator otherwise known as Juncker? (Among others)

I am not asking to go round in circles talking about the falling pound/markets etc, as that has been done to death, I am just generally interested to see if anyone has swung the other way.

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caitlinohara · 30/06/2016 16:46

[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/we-leavers-are-not-racists-bigots-or-hooligans--no-matter-what-t/] flippinada

lovemylot1 · 30/06/2016 16:48

I think my point is that it shows that someone is not as intelligent and educated as they think if they resort to saying that all leave voters are this that or the other....it is a generalisation, which is the foundation of discrimination isn't it? Don't you see the irony in someone saying 'Leave voters are all racist' because in saying that, the person is making an assumption about 17 million people which simple cannot be true, because all people are different and have their unique reasons for their votes.

I personally don't think that (for instance) racism or sexism are less of an issue than ageism. I don't think that eg the Equality Act prioritises one over the other, although I am not a lawyer.

NameChanger22 · 30/06/2016 16:49

I'm working class and poor. I voted remain. If someone makes a stupid decision it's not discrimination to call it out. If the leavers really cared about discrimination they would have voted remain.

sorenofthejnaii · 30/06/2016 16:49

There were good and compelling reasons on both sides of the argument. I wish it had gone Remain but with a signal to send to Europe that there are issues that need sorting.

The economy was number one. But I understand the issues people had over jobs and immigration. People have been let down by the Government, there's been not enough investment in the NHS and education and I can see why some people voted leave. There is also valid concern over further integration, laws and the role of the EU.

It might well take this step for the EU to listen. Junkers is not accountable to an electorate but the politicians are and this might be the jolt in the arm. I think it's a shame that it has taken this step to give that shot and I would have much preferred to be in the EU and there to be change.

I just hope we can negotiate a good deal to help support our economy.

lovemylot1 · 30/06/2016 16:53

Universal suffrage means that every person's vote has equal weight. The reasons for their vote are irrelevant. Human experience is vast and each person is totally unique therefore there are infinite reasons for votes being cast.

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Thefuturecouldbebright · 30/06/2016 16:53

To respond to Iwantadragon why do you feel that you cannot admit it in RL?

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MangoMoon · 30/06/2016 16:55

Flippinada, I completely agree with you about how people being angry and nasty about leave voters is nothing compared to actual, real discrimination.

For me, I think rather than discrimination (although the ageist stuff has been awful), it is the knowledge all of a sudden that you are held in actual contempt by people you are friends with, who you believed thought of you as an equal, who you believed respected you & your life.

It's the overwhelmingly snobby 'intellectual' & class divide that has been laid bare. And it has been disgusting.

So, not remotely on a par with racism, but knowing how it feels to realise that people are judging you completely & nastily on one aspect of you as a person.

KyloRenNeedsTherapy · 30/06/2016 16:56

Not all leave voters were racist.

But all racists voted leave.

Those that aren't have played right into the hands of those that are.

We are greater than the sum of our parts - that's why I wanted to stay. I don't understand all this hand wringing about distant Govt: we vote for our MEPs! And this Etonian govt of toffs is far more out of touch with me than the EU yet I live a few miles from London.

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Thefuturecouldbebright · 30/06/2016 17:00

Mango moon, agreed, thats probably a much better way of putting it than I would have.

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loobyloo1234 · 30/06/2016 17:02

But all racists voted leave.

Do you know all racists in the UK then KyloRenNeedsTherapy ?? This is such a throwaway comment, and one I'm sick of seeing. Leave are told they are racist and xenophobic but I can bet you, not all racists voted Leave

NameChanger22 · 30/06/2016 17:03

It has nothing whatsoever to do with class divide. I'm working poor and most of my friends are, we all voted remain. It's the more wealthy, but slightly less intelligent people I know that voted leave. Well them, and the racists.

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Thefuturecouldbebright · 30/06/2016 17:05

Oh... Here we go. 🙄🙄

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NameChanger22 · 30/06/2016 17:06

Most racists are anti-immigration, most people who are anti-immigration voted leave. Nobody is saying that every single person who voted leave is a racist because that would be untrue.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 30/06/2016 17:07

I voted Remain and watching how this is playing out now has only confirmed my vote Sad

HelpfulChap · 30/06/2016 17:08

I'm not sure how these accusations of racism sit with some statistics I have seen (I don't vouch for their accuracy) that an average of 30% of the black/muslim/asian electorate (that voted) voted Leave.

Topseyt · 30/06/2016 17:10

I voted remain and nothing has changed my mind.

If anything the chaos which has ensued has made me even more sure that remain was the way to vote.

NameChanger22 · 30/06/2016 17:10

Black/Muslim/Asian electorate are able to racist too you know.

53rdAndBird · 30/06/2016 17:14

Voted Remain. Don't regret it. Not exactly going to look at the state of the country over the last week and think "wow, this is just wonderful!"

I do regret thinking that someone as crafty as Boris was sure to have a plan, though.

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Thefuturecouldbebright · 30/06/2016 17:15

Namechanger... You are clutching at straws now. Facepalm.

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2nds · 30/06/2016 17:19

Daytona so he wanted to wait to see what way the voting swung and then agree with the majority. If he believed in leave so much he should have got his finger out and voted because people who refuse to cast a vote have no say and rightly so.

I was and still am firmly in the remain camp.

beardedladydragon · 30/06/2016 17:22

Love The problem I see is that the figures which were released straight after the vote suggested that the demographic who voted leave were on average in a lower socio-economic group and with a lower level of education. Add this to the fact that the Leave campaign focused significantly on immigration and the post referendum press coverage gave leverage to those who voted on this basis it is not surprising that this occurred. Insults on either side should absolutely not be condoned but the media and the politicians created a perfect storm and then fueled the fire of division within our society.

Daytona79 · 30/06/2016 17:27

No he was offshore in Angola for 5 weeks in the run up to it working with very unreliable wifi access along with very little time as working 16 hour days so never got the chance to research it and he arrived home on Thursday of the vote so because he had no understand of pro's and cons of remain or leave decided he should not vote

Since being home he has been on Internet looking at stuff about it and says he would have voted leave had he been home prior to the vote and had chance to look into it

Not that it matters as his vote is irrelevant but he wished he could of taken part of that makes sense but his circumstances in the run up to it didn't allow him to and yea he could of researched it months ago but he has hardly been home for months so didn't really enter his head. As the only TV he sees when away is a few Africa channels and that's about it

GreenishMe · 30/06/2016 17:31

The problem I see is that the figures which were released straight after the vote suggested that the demographic who voted leave were on average in a lower socio-economic group and with a lower level of education. Add this to the fact that the Leave campaign focused significantly on immigration and the post referendum press coverage gave leverage to those who voted on this basis it is not surprising that this occurred. Insults on either side should absolutely not be condoned but the media and the politicians created a perfect storm and then fueled the fire of division within our society.

This is true but after a week now, I don't believe that Remain voters (who've been so insistent that they're the only people with the intelligence to make rational decisions) haven't been able to see the real truth.

I think they continue to call us all racists and xenophobes because it makes them feel good. They're enjoying sticking in the boot and they don't want to stop.

sorenofthejnaii · 30/06/2016 17:32

I think they continue to call us all racists and xenophobes because it makes them feel good. They're enjoying sticking in the boot and they don't want to stop

They?
All?

Ever heard of labelling and stereotyping? That kind of comment gets people nowhere and does not heal divisions.

crossroads3 · 30/06/2016 17:38

No, just watching the slow motion train crash which is our country falling to its knees economically, politically and socially, there is no way in hell that I would regret my Remain vote.

^ this.

And the fact that I have always considered myself an EU citizen, and want to remain one.