Remain voters who have changed their minds

[Thefuturecouldbebright]

Ok, I expect to get pulled apart like brisket here, but... I havent seen anyone raise this question yet.

Is there anyone here, who voted remain, who has now changed their stance in the other direction? Especially now given the petulant tit for tat behaviour of the EU dictator otherwise known as Juncker? (Among others)

I am not asking to go round in circles talking about the falling pound/markets etc, as that has been done to death, I am just generally interested to see if anyone has swung the other way.

You are probably right Flippinada, I thought however it was still an interesting question, the reverse was asked previously. Especially when margins keep getting referred to by remainers who think if there was a 2nd referendum, everyone would have changed their minds. I am already surprised to hear anecdotes of remainers who do regret their votes, so its not quite as black and white as it appears on the surface.

Sorry, not "everyone" lazy writing on my part, I should have said, significant margin.

I was a remain voter and whilst I have not changed my mind, I do think it will probably be okay in the long run. And I mean long run. Short term l'm as buggered as anyone but I'm not convinced the EU will be as is in a decade and getting a head start on that could probably be a blessing (admittedly in a huge disguise.)

This gave me quite a bit to think about...

apple.news/AhmmROfKHT0um1_3PJkP47g

I agree that Britain never properly embraced Europe.

Instead of voting, so we actually got some say, (and with PR, the EU is a much more representative government than Westminster) many used it a a protest vote, or didn't vote at all, then complained they had no say in the outcome (which of course we did).

I am sad that we have voted to leave. I believe in the European vision. I'm just sad more don't.

Also, I think we will get a crap deal, which will not be any better than what we have now, and we will pay for the privilege of trading in the single market, with no representation.

I don't think it's quite the same futures but I see what you mean. And I would genuinely be interested (not being snarky) to hear from any remain regretters as to what their reasons are.

Interesting Link Playduh, I have always thought that us getting out first, would mean the uk would seem like a safe investment when the Euro/EU hit the skids. This article would appear to back up that assumption on my part (and it was only an assumption). Interesting.

I voted Remain but now regret my decision and wish I had voted Leave.

I had a Road to Damascus moment when some of my Facebook friends posted things about the Leave voters that I found abhorrent and I realised that setting aside the campaign itself, I actually believe in Leave.

Playduh - I think the opposite. In the short term, we'll all be fine, if we really do leave the EU it won't be for over 2 years, so things will hum along as they have done.

After that, it's anyone's guess, but I suspect food prices will go up drastically, taxes will go up, public services will be slashed, there will be lots of job losses etc. I'm hoping we don't fall out with Europe too much (someone needs to keep Farage out of it) because that could be terrible.

Anyway, it's time for me to stop wasting time thinking about this rubbish and plan my emergency exit.

Thanks lovemylot again, an interesting perspective. It doesnt surprise me to hear that some of the rhetoric has done damage on the remain side post vote.

Emergency exit Namechanger? Are you planning on leaving the uk? Or was that in jest? 😊

I have read an awful lot more about the whole situation in the last week and if I was to vote again I would still vote remain. That, however, is with the benefit of hindsight. If you take away the emotion, all the hysteria and this stupid party political issue I think we have very valid reasons to leave. From the research I have done a significant amount of Leave voters are pretty left leaning and do not see that the behemoth of the EU fits in with those views. Unfortunately the Leave campaign hasn't been fought with that it mind. It has given a voice to those that don't deserve one and has put power into the hands of right wing Tories. I would vote remain again for stability because I think that would be best on a global level not necessarily because I think it would be best for us as a country.

Very well said Bearded!

My post is rather a brief version of how it went...

Suddenly people who were even better educated than I were, who were my friends, were there on Facebook calling a group of 17 million people stupid and uneducated. Yes literally, using those words! Forget about racism, sexism, homophobia, and so on; how about brexitism?

Armed with this sudden sense that some of the Remainers around me were making huge and offensive sweeping assumptions, with a clearly stated and heavy dose of class superiority, ‘all bets were off’ for me in rethinking the entire debate from scratch. If they could be wrong then maybe Leave could be right?

Totally agree love have felt it too, time and time again. I actually got upset in disbelief at what I was seeing...

I 100% appreciate that there would have been dissapointment either way, but some of what I have seen has been way below the belt and offensive.

Not to dismiss your views lovemylotbut I don't think the systemic discrimination faced by victims of racism, sexism and homophobia - all of which have had a severe impact - is really comparable to people being angry at leave voters.

People who voted leave aren't being systemically discriminated against for that reason.

They may well be experiencing discrimination for other reasons, of course.

The ageism and classism has been equivalent IMHO Flipinada...

I'm a remainer. There are some good arguments to Leave....but I'm yet to hear one from anyone except Ruth Lea (and even then I disagree because I believe the short term risks are too great versus the longer term benefits). Any decent Leave argument needs to contain the phrase "international trade tariffs" and needs to make reference to the current account deficit and the impact of the devaluation of the pound. All I hear from people in real life, on the internet and in the media is racist shit and facile crap about being "great" again.

I voted Remain.
Part of me wanted to vote Leave but I don't like change.

I secretly admire the ones who voted Leave. But I would never admit it in RL

I really don't agree but I can see the direction this thread is going in so I'll leave it there thanks.

Yep.

Even though there is a Leave majority, regret at a Remain vote matters, because there are now people marching on the street in protest.

Having been given the opportunity to think about it clearly, I realised that my personal feelings had somehow been overshadowed by how I thought I 'ought' to vote; I work in finance / law, understand better than most about the economic effects which is all a big consideration. But I realised that my own feeling is that fundamentally I do not want the UK to be part of the EU, because of the supremacy of the ECJ and because I think that distant and remote leadership is not beneficial.

It helped that I had a sick bug which started at 4am on Friday so I had some time with just my thoughts to keep me company!

Thats a shame Flip, I have appreciated your input thus far. No need to leave.

Forget about racism, sexism, homophobia, and so on; how about Brexitism

And you say people actually called you stupid???

It's not classism, it's stupidism.

Referring to people as uneducated chavs, and talking about them wanting a "poundland" britain, does border on classism no?