march for europe - london - saturday 2nd july

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Give a shout for me too! I would love to go but not able to. Take care (and a brolly). Love and hugs. X

arching is completely and utterly pointless and will fortunately change nothing.

It might not change the outcome but it allows us to have a voice and let the rest of the world know that not all of GB want this to happen. Even if it sends out a pro-immigration message that's great as far as I am concerned.

Anarchists marching in support of the establishment & bankers.

Crazy days.

I think it's more about having our concerns recognised rather than reversing the decision although that would be awesome

We are a democracy and have the right to freedom of opinion and expression.

Oh come on Spring there is absolutely no need for name calling here! I'm neither an anarchist nor a fascist but I strongly uphold my right to protest against a decision that I disagree with.

Where are they going to march on when Goldman Sachs et al have turned their Parliament into the equivalent of a parish council in the EU superstate. I fear that Juncker's EU army will not be as accommodating of them as your average British bobby.

Presumably the core demand is for a free unwhipped parliamentary vote on whether or not to implement the referendum outcome. Nothing undemocratic about that - especially in a representative parliamentary democracy.

As with all measures under this government, there should be an impact assessment first, to measure the economic costs and benefits of the measure, to assist mps when they vote to make their minds up.

As for democracy, 63% of the electorate did NOT vote to leave the EU.

I wonder, if A50 is not invoked until say, January 17, and by Nov/Dec a very clear majority, seen in pole after pole, now say they DON'T want to leave the EU, do leave voters (or others) think we should leave anyway? I ask because almost all the leave voters I know say they didn't want to leave the EU in the first place, they thought remain would win and just wanted a protest vote as there were lots of things about the EU they don't like.

Presumably the core demand is for a free unwhipped parliamentary vote on whether or not to implement the referendum outcome. Nothing undemocratic about that - especially in a representative parliamentary democracy.

Direct democracy (voice of the people) trumps representative democrary.

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A50 will be triggered as soon as new PM in place.

Best to be realistic.

As for democracy, 63% of the electorate did NOT vote to leave the EU.

Those who failed to exercise their vote are not voting IN or OUT - they are ambivalent.

Of those who did actually exercise their democratic right to vote, a full 1,400,000 more people are convinced that the UK should leave the EU than those who think we should stay.

A bit iffy to choose the weekend when many will still be commemorating the battle of the Somme Many remembrance events are taking part in Saturday. Could have chosen a better weekend!

This could go horribly rightt or horribly wrong.

I wonder, if A50 is not invoked until say, January 17, and by Nov/Dec a very clear majority, seen in pole after pole, now say they DON'T want to leave the EU, do leave voters (or others) think we should leave anyway?

I think you'll be lucky to see A50 triggered this side of 2020!

Poles (sic) has absolutely no legitimacy. They can be fudged and they can be wrong (as we have seen during this referendum when the final poll had REMAIN 10% ahead - wrongly.
The only things that can overturn this mandate is another national referendum or a general election.

ask because almost all the leave voters I know say they didn't want to leave the EU in the first place, they thought remain would win and just wanted a protest vote as there were lots of things about the EU they don't like

Met some more leave voters. All the ones I know are delighted with the Leave vote and fully understood its implications and realised that it was incapable of reform. I have even met some Regretful Remainers who wished they'd had the courage to join us.

Wasting your time.

March away, the result is the same. LEAVE
The EU will insist it is upheld, they have to be seen as democratic.

I would say that those who did not vote are irrelevant.

Shame on them.
Shame on the young alleged remainers who couldn't be arsed to vote. Tough if the result is not to their liking.

But to want to march to excercise a democratic right AGAINST a democratic right is so Orwellian.........Remain call brexit uneducated racists. So I call these marchers insane Fascists?

And please do not take your children to this thing. Feelings on both sides are running very high and both sides have their share of crazies, plus there are always those groups who tag on for the violence in it.

A bit iffy to choose the weekend when many will still be commemorating the battle of the Somme

I agree. It's selfish and disrespectful.

But those who are marching are doing so, if I understand correctly because:

• they are unhappy with the democratic outcome of a referendum

-they feel the campaign was based on 'lies' although they also felt people were too stupid to understand the issues AND that voting for remain was not based on lies but on intelligence and kindness

• they are apparently concerned directly with their own children's futures, which have apparently been 'devastated'
• they are still fucked off at the result and are determined to continue this strop for as long as they can kick the arse out of it, despite being assured that there is no chance whatsoever that there will be a second referendum or that this decision will be overturned

Second the PP who said please don't take kids into the thick of this.

If a even a tenth of the furious, emotionally incontinent people I've heard from show up, there could be serious violence.

My personal opinion of any demonstration is that I've no issue, if you want to waste your time walking about with placards (regardless of the reasons) so be it. You can't overturn democracy with a we love you EU banner or don't go Jeremy or whatever else you scrawl on 4 rice crispy boxes sellotaped together and covered in poster paint.

It won't achieve anything people will get hurt and Ill feeling will grow stronger.

But it's your time not mine, so crack on .

The EU will insist it is upheld, they have to be seen as democratic.

That would be delicious

The referendum is only advisory to parliament and considering the close vote the ultimate decision must he considered carefully based on the evidence of how much harm a leave will cause. Our government is sovereign and is not bound by the referendum

if you ask people how is the membership of th EU harming you , you will be hard pushed to get a concrete answer, sovereignty is not lost by being a member , we lose as much sovereignty when we become a member of the United Nations but nobody exclaims about that . We always had a right to not accept laws, we vetoed the Euro, we kept the right for passport checking at our borders as small examples . Out of 2500 we disagreed with 50 laws passed by EU parliament the other 98% meant we had influence over the whole of Europe. People talk about an unelected commission but it's the equivalent of our civil service and you don't say the civil service is undemocratic , they put the nuts and bolts of laws together and implement MPs decisions.
The public just don't know the complexity of the issues and the global impact of their vote. Putin is very happy about a loss of power of the EU as it is a force preventing his empirial lust. His war mongering is hard fact.

How does leaving the EU harm you??
On a personal level it harms my lab in the University of Cambridge , I work on Cardiovascular disease in an internationally regarded group and half of our grant money is from the EU. This is a common theme in our department

When we have paid into an EU trade agreement there won't be any free money to pay for these grants. It will cost the same without any of the benefits plus we will have to accept free movement ( which the leavers were against ) .
No spare money means no cash to replace subsidies, tell that to Cornwall and the farmers and to me a scientist funded on EU grants !!

how do I continue my research , how do I pay my mortgage?
For many people the leave remain vote was hypothetical but to many after the vote , it has real hard hitting implications

Do you 'feel' more sovereign , it was all a state of mind . Prople in scientific research are going to feel the effects of the leave vote acutely and it will affect many many people. When we don't have our EU nurses and doctors and farm workers and care assistants, how is your life going to be changed ?

I ask the leave voters , how was your life affected by being part of the EU , how was your global safety compromised by being in the EU

I agree. It's selfish and disrespectful doubt it would have crossed their minds.

I will be there and marching with friends and DP. I don't think that it will change the result but I want to show the rest of Europe that a vast proportion of us are outward facing, inclusive multiculturalists and view what has happened in the past week as negative for this country.

a bit iffy to choose the weekend when many will still be commemorating the battle of the Somme

It's more than iffy, it's fucking disgusting.

They respect nothing.